Stop Making New Years Resolutions, Do this Instead

Kathy: Well, happy new year, Jason.

Jason: Happy New Year, Kathy. Do you have any resolutions?

Kathy: Blah. I don’t believe in New Year’s resolutions.

Jason: Well, you should, because they do exist.

Kathy: Yeah, I know. It just seems like everybody is setting themselves up for collective disappointment by February 1st.

Jason: February 1st. If they haven’t already screwed up by January 2nd.

Kathy: That’s exactly it. So, in this episode, let’s talk about resolutions. Like, do they really work? And are they doing more harm than good?

Jason: Who knows? But we’re going to talk about what you can do instead of a resolution

[0:31] to get the health outcomes you want for this year.

Kathy: Okay, this is the PTCH. What happens when a chiropractor and a physical therapist get together to make a health and wellness podcast?

Jason: Chiropractors and physical therapists don’t like each other.

Kathy: Oh, think again.

Jason: I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch, physical therapist who likes to help people move and get stronger.

Kathy: I’m Dr. Jason Young, an evidence-based chiropractor who uses humor just as much as adjustments to help people get better.

Jason: Welcome to the PTCH Podcast. Remember, there’s no I in PTCH.

[1:01] Okay, everybody. I’m just fixing my hair.

Jason: It looks amazing.

Kathy: Yeah, it’s one of my New Year’s resolutions.

Jason: New year, new hair.

Kathy: Ugh.

Jason: Yes. Look at us, Kathy. I feel like we are deep, deep into the future now, you know. I got to verify this. But do you know what historically happens in 2029?

Kathy: Oh, it’s a movie.

[1:31] It is.

Kathy: Yeah. The Terminator.

Jason: It’s the freaking Terminator. Skynet is in 2029. And okay, if we would have talked about this three years ago, I’d be like, we have nothing to worry about

now. In 2026,

Kathy: yeah, I could really see that being three years away.

Jason: 100%.

Kathy: Yeah. So, let’s enjoy these next three years. That’s what we got, people.

Jason: Oh my goodness. So yeah, so deep into the future, and we want to thank everybody who has stuck with us. We are now in our second calendar year of the

[2:01] PTCH, having given birth to this podcast in 2025, and sometimes it did feel like childbirth, I would imagine. Right. We got to get Carrie Boon back on.

Kathy: That’s right. She’ll tell us.

Jason: So, we’re going to make some changes with the show. We got our premium subscriptions coming up. All right. We keep talking about it. Still not ready, but they’re coming.

Kathy: And I think that we should change something else up.

Jason: I think like you and I were great.

Kathy: We got this down.

Jason: Absolutely.

Kathy: But you know, I’m thinking about like

[2:32] the Dan Patricks and stuff like that out there. And like they always got like the guy in the booth, right?

Jason: Always the guy in the booth.

Kathy: And sometimes we refer to them.

Jason: Yeah. And like you get the sense that maybe there’s somebody that people don’t actually think exists. But today we’re going to reveal to you Raul.

Kathy: Raul, welcome to the show.

Jason: Hey, there he is. Raul. What’s going on, bro? Yeah. So, we’ve had a variety of engineers working with us on the show before. And Raul is our

[3:03] guy right now.

Kathy: He’s our guy, hopefully for a long time.

Jason: Yes. Everybody needs a Raul.

Kathy: Yeah. He makes us look good.

Jason: He does. He does. And sound good sometimes.

Kathy: Yes. So, Raul’s with Titan Podcasting. If you look at the end of the show, it’s going to say Cinematic Solutions, which is the parent company, but Titan Podcasting — that is our podcast studio,

Jason: because I get questions. Why do you guys look so good?

Kathy: Yeah, Raul.

Jason: Scott, Raul, Scott, Titan Podcasting. So, thank

[3:34] you very much. There is your shout out.

Kathy: Oh my gosh. So,

Jason: we had an episode that went crazy on TikTok, right? We had a little clip there. It was when I talked about ibuprofen.

Kathy: Oh man. Right.

Jason: You got the haters out. Oh gosh. That was great. Yes. Yeah. So great.

Kathy: And if people would have watched the whole episode, which clearly they didn’t, they would have found out that I was saying that ibuprofen is safe

Jason: and people die from ibuprofen.

Kathy: Yes.

Jason: And chiropractic is also safe, and even

[4:05] fewer people die from that. So there were people that were like — one of my favorite comments was somebody said they should make podcasting equipment more expensive. We need a greater barrier to entry in podcasting.

Kathy: Yeah. So if this doesn’t look expensive enough, you know, Titan Podcasting makes us look good all the time.

Jason: Absolutely.

Kathy: Right.

Jason: Okay. Well, this episode we talked about New Year’s resolutions. Do you have any New Year’s resolutions?

[4:35] Kathy: Just keep being awesome.

Jason: Okay. Good. Yeah.

Kathy: Just maintain the awesomeness. It’s hard enough.

Jason: Just treading water. Yeah. That’s good. Yeah. I think I have some goals. I have some things I’m looking forward to in 2026,

but man, I really don’t like the idea of resolutions. What do you think about a New Year’s resolution?

Kathy: I like the idea of it.

Jason: Generally, the execution of it is where we have problems.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: Yeah. Because I’m sure every

[5:06] — like everybody’s had New Year’s resolutions, right? And probably the most common ones are like, “I want to lose some weight this year,” or, “I want to, you know, grow 2 feet taller.” I don’t know. But I actually looked this up. I went to a reliable source. Something called ChatGPT.

Kathy: Oh, I like those.

Jason: ChatGPT. Yeah. What I found out

is that 80% of New Year’s resolutions fail by mid-February. Yeah. Okay. And this is research that was conducted by

[5:37] — do we have any Office fans out there?

Kathy: The University of Scranton.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: Scranton, Pennsylvania.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: So,

Jason: trivia for you. My older brother went to the University of Scranton for one year.

Kathy: Are you kidding me?

Jason: Yeah. He doesn’t tell any of his friends.

Kathy: Oh my god. He went there for a year.

Jason: Did he get to see like Jim, Pam, and Dwight?

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: Oh, nice. That’s perfect, man. That’s pretty awesome. Do they have a mascot?

Kathy: Oh, I do know their mascot because I almost went there too to play basketball. They have a really good women’s basketball program.

[6:08] Kathy: Okay. Yeah. And said you went to Nazareth. Nazareth. Jason: Yeah. As in Jesus of — I was called — Kathy: I was called by my mother. Actually, why do you go to this school? Jason: Yeah. But yeah. So are you googling the University of Scranton? Okay. All right. Mhm. Kathy: So, while you’re googling that and retrieving the mascot, what the research showed was roughly 40 to

[6:38] 45% of Americans make New Year’s resolutions and only 8 to 19% of them maintain them in the long term. And the steepest drop off happens after the first 6 to 8 weeks of the year. And so my concern with New Year’s resolutions is who needs that much failure in their life, right? It’s like, aren’t you already experiencing enough failure in your life? Jason: Yeah. Why are we setting ourselves up for that? Kathy: Yeah. Oh, what do you got? Jason: Scranton Royals. Kathy: Scranton Royals. I like it. Okay.

[7:09] Jason: It’s a fine Jesuit institution. Kathy: Nice. All right. Go Royals. Go Royals. All right. So, yeah. So, here’s a few of the problems with resolutions, as I see it. And I actually was talking with a patient about this this morning, and she said that she does resolutions with her sisters, and her problem with it is that she’s very black or white. Jason: Oh yeah. Kathy: Yeah. And so it’s like it’s all or nothing. Hey, we did it or we didn’t do it. And she has a sister that’s like, hey, we could just start

[7:39] again. Jason: You know — Kathy: She’s like, no, we failed, and it’s over. Jason: And it’s over. Yeah. Kathy: The rest of the year is done. Jason: That’s it. Yeah. It’s just like, well, I guess you could try again next year. Right. And, I don’t know, is that helpful? Kathy: I would say that you’ve got to give yourself a second chance. Jason: I think so. Kathy: Right. Jason: Yeah. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: Or else what are you going to do the rest of the year? Kathy: Totally. Right. And you hear all this stuff about how to make a habit it takes like 30 days of doing

[8:10] something. And so 6 to 8 weeks, that’s over 30 days. So if that’s really true, the average person should be able to nail this, but I guess most don’t. And I think some of it is that all-or-nothing thinking, right? And then, I don’t know, what’s maybe the craziest New Year’s resolution that you’ve ever — Jason: Yeah, that’s a good question. Kathy: I don’t have one. Jason: Yeah. I think — well, I’m going to say I think maybe the craziest one is I’m going to quit smoking,

[8:41] which doesn’t seem crazy, but it’s so difficult to do, right? I’ve never smoked in my life, but I’ve seen so many people try and quit, and it’s an audacious claim that this is the year I quit smoking. So I don’t think it’s a bad goal at all, but some people go into it with the idea that this is what I’m going to do, but they just don’t have a plan to do it, right? Kathy: So I think that with resolutions, it’s very easy to make the commitment Jason: Yeah, without any of the without any

[9:11] support system, without any goals or things like that. Kathy: The plan is the thing. Jason: Yeah. Kathy: Yeah. So, yeah. And sometimes I think when people think about the outcomes, like weight loss is a really common one, and they’re like, I’m going to lose 20 pounds, right? And my question is, so what? Like, what happens when you lose 20 pounds and then the day after you hit the 20 pounds

[9:42] you gain a pound? Jason: Yeah. Kathy: Because that’s how human bodies work — we fluctuate, right? We’re not a weight. We are a range of weights. And so, like, do balloons fall from the ceiling when you hit 20 pounds, or is it just okay to go ahead and gain those 20 back? Jason: Yeah. And so, yeah, I had a wise therapist once say to me — ‘cause I gave her this goal and she’s like, “Well, when is enough going to be enough for you? What — just like you said — what happens when you hit that goal? Does that mean you’re happy? Does that mean you’re

[10:12] content?” So it’s a great question. Kathy: Right. Jason: Right. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: And then there’s also the fact that life happens. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: Right. So, I don’t know what’s going to happen — there are some curveballs in 2025. Kathy: Oh man. Jason: Serious curveballs. Kathy: Some of them very good, some of them very bad. Jason: Right. And I think if you have a focus and you have a goal, then yeah, you push through and you accomplish, but there also needs to be some room for grace. Kathy: Yes. Jason: Or, you know, a course correction, a

[10:42] change in how you’re doing things. Kathy: So yeah. Jason: Yeah. So I think what we want to talk about today is some ways that we as professionals who help people work towards goals — what are some of the things that we’re telling people, the advice that we’re giving them, so that they can be successful any time of year, right? Not just January. Kathy: Right. Jason: These are like goals for March, except for a perfect bracket, right? Kathy: Yes. Jason: Yeah. March madness.

[11:12] Well, why don’t you get us started? Okay. What’s your thing, Kathy? Kathy: My thing — and I hear this a lot — I want to get back to running, or I want to run a 5K. I want to run a half marathon. I want to run a marathon. Jason: Psychopaths. Kathy: Yes. And the first question is, how much are you running now? Jason: Oh, whoops. Kathy: What? Wait, I have to do that. Jason: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Kathy: Mm-hmm. Jason: Yeah. When’s the last time you ran is the other question, right? Well, and and

[11:42] February tends to be a really good month for practice because all the people that have gone out and injured themselves trying to do their New Year’s resolution, right? Jason: Isn’t that the truth? Kathy: Yeah. And I’m actually kind of going through this myself. Okay. But I didn’t start New Year’s. I started probably last July. You know, I’ve had some health issues the last two years, and I want to be able to run again. I haven’t run — I definitely haven’t run in at least three years. Last time I ran was 2016.

[12:13] Jason: Okay. Okay. I got to hear this story. How do you know this?

Kathy: I know exactly when it was because I did Hood to Coast.

Jason: Oh my gosh. You did?

Kathy: I did. Yeah. And I’m not a runner. I mean, I’m built for short.

Jason: I was going to say,

Kathy: right, but if you don’t know, Hood to Coast is a relay race. You go from Mount Hood, which is a gosh, it’s like a couple hundred miles in from the coast, and you run from Mount

[12:43] Hood, the top of Mount Hood, all the way down to the Oregon coast.

Jason: Yeah. The beach.

Kathy: Yeah. And I think it’s a team of —

Jason: I think we had 12 guys. I think that’s what it is. And they split it up. And so each of you does about 11 miles. And so, yeah, I did Hood to Coast. And it was actually a great experience. It was so much fun. The guys — impressed. Yeah. Made friends that have been friends ever since then. And I just didn’t run after that. I was like, I did it.

Kathy: Done. I run the last mile.

Jason: That is it.

Kathy: Yeah. And that’s a wrap. You know, but

[13:14] it’s like if you’re going to quit, it’s like you could quit after — oh, I ran for a mile and a half last time I ran. No, I ran from a mountain to the ocean, literally. So, yeah. I’m done.

Jason: Yeah. Those relays are really fun.

Kathy: It’s a blast. Kevin Hart was doing it the year that I did it.

Jason: Yeah. And —

Kathy: He did Hood to Coast.

Jason: He did. Yeah. And there were a few people that took pictures with me as Kevin Hart.

Kathy: A very tall Kevin Hart.

Jason: That is excellent.

[13:45] Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: When you see him on stage by himself, you don’t realize how short he is.

Kathy: He is a little guy.

Jason: Yeah. And then when you see him at the Super Bowl celebration, you see how —

Kathy: short. Yeah. And I was looking for — I didn’t see him the whole time. He was probably — his group was probably way ahead of mine. But yeah.

Jason: He was the other Black guy. He’s the other Black guy. Yeah. But people — I mean, I see him.

Kathy: Yeah. Like —

Jason: Okay. So anyway, sorry. So

Kathy: anyway, so I don’t want to be a Debbie Downer and like when people say, “Hey, I want to run.” I don’t want to be like, “No, you can’t.” I just want people to

[14:15] go into this, you know, the smart way.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: And we’ll talk about SMART goals later.

Jason: Oh, very good.

Kathy: But when people want to run, there’s certain things. So people usually tell me, “Well, I want to get in shape, so I’m gonna start running.”

Jason: And that’s for me backwards.

Kathy: Like getting in shape — or getting in shape by running.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: That’s backwards.

Jason: That for me is backwards.

Kathy: Okay. Because I feel like you have to be in shape in order to run.

Jason: Okay. How good a shape?

Kathy: Yeah. Well, here’s an example

[14:46] that — I said, I’m trying to get myself back to it. And one of the things in order to run — okay, one of the baseline things is you have to be able to do a single leg heel raise 25 times.

Jason: Oh, okay.

Kathy: And three sets of those. Okay. So, I probably started this process three, four weeks ago as far as calf raises, heel raises go.

Jason: And let me tell you, at 25 —

Kathy: Mhm.

Jason: you were —

Kathy: I’m burning. Well, I’m burning at like

[15:17] 15. Okay. I was right. So now I’ve done it consistently three times a week now.

Jason: So this is just your foot’s planted on the ground and you’re lifting up on just one foot.

Kathy: Just one leg. So you’re lifting your whole body weight on one foot. Okay.

Jason: So you’re burning those calf muscles.

Kathy: There’s a lot of Jason.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: And so that way —

Jason: Exactly.

Kathy: So that’s a baseline — like those calf muscles have to be strong to propel you forward.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: So there’s one way to start. Um, so how

[15:47] in shape do you have to be? That’s one of the first. And that’s an easy test for yourself.

Jason: Sure. It’s a good basic.

Kathy: If you’re watching right now or you’re sitting at home, try this test. Can you do 25 heel raises in a row?

Jason: Yeah. So maybe a good thing going forward is like if you can’t — maybe when you listen to the PTCH Podcast, you’re trying some double leg heel raises just to kind of get yourself in shape for it, right?

Kathy: Yes. Nice. Very good. I like it.

Jason: So, that is one of the baselines that I

[16:18] realized — I’m not ready to run yet.

Kathy: Okay. Yeah.

Jason: Because I’m burning out at like 15, 17. So I’ve been doing that now consistently for three weeks and I can say that I can get to 25 now. Not saying that I’m not fatiguing out,

Kathy: but I’m getting stronger. Good.

Jason: So, I’m getting closer to that. But actually before that, I want people to think about when they’re getting ready to run — can you

[16:49] walk 25 to 30 minutes moderately paced,

Kathy: right?

Jason: You know, moderate to brisk,

Kathy: you know, where you can have a conversation, but you’re kind of breathless.

Jason: Yeah. You’re at the edge of it.

Kathy: Yeah. You’re at the edge of it. And then not have pain the next day.

Jason: Are you sore?

Kathy: Oh, that — I was like, “Oh, yeah. I can do, but the next day —”

Jason: I can’t have pain.

Kathy: I’m out.

Jason: Like that night. Well, during —

Kathy: that night or the next day,

Jason: okay,

Kathy: are you experiencing pain after a

[17:19] brisk-ish walk, 25, 30 minutes?

Jason: Because we’ve had this discussion a lot where it’s really about recovery, right? How well do you recover?

Kathy: And a little bit of pain is okay, but how quickly are you bouncing back from pain, recovering from pain?

Jason: Yeah. Mhm.

Kathy: Mhm. The next thing I like to talk to people about is, you know, running, just like walking, you’re on one foot.

Jason: Mhm.

Kathy: For a split second.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: And so running is really just hopping from foot to foot.

Jason: It is. Yeah. You’re flying. You’re

[17:49] literally flying.

Kathy: You’re literally flying

Jason: with brief touchdowns.

Kathy: Yes. So, can you hop? Can you jump rope?

Jason: Oh,

Kathy: right. Let’s start there. Or if you don’t have a jump rope, can you hop?

Jason: Mhm. Let’s say — I mean, running is hopping thousands of times.

Kathy: Yeah. Jeez.

Jason: So,

Kathy: I didn’t want to run before and now I really don’t want to run.

Jason: Right. So, start with hopping for 30 seconds.

Kathy: Yeah.

[18:19] Jason: How do you feel? How’s your heart feel? Kathy: How do your legs feel? How do your knees feel? Ankles? Right. Jason: Right. Kathy: Can you do that again without pain Jason: either during, right after, or the next day? Kathy: Okay. Jason: Okay. Those are — those are just like baseline things. Yeah. You should be able to do Kathy: before you go out and run, you know, out here at Bald Hill. Jason: Sure. Kathy: Well, and certainly you could just go out and run, but what you’re talking about is laying down Jason: a groundwork that’s going to probably

[18:49] help you be the most successful. Kathy: Yes. Right. Jason: You can just go out and run, but you’re setting yourself up for failure. Kathy: Yeah, I made that mistake before. Jason: How did you train for Hood to Coast? Kathy: Yeah. Right. Well, that’s — that’s actually the only race that I’ve ever trained for. I think I told the story before when Robin was — Jason: Oh, yeah. Kathy: — about my first half marathon, Jason: which I trained for 45 minutes Kathy: that morning and went out and ran and it was maybe one of the most painful experiences that I’ve ever had. Jason: Your first and last half.

[19:19] Kathy: It was — no, I’ve actually done like six. Jason: Wow. Kathy: Yeah, I know. You’re learning things about — Jason: This is a previous version — Kathy: and I’ve done them all out of spite. I’ve — I’ve never run for health. I’ve only run for hatred. Jason: That really is the only motivator really. Kathy: Yeah. Well, it’s always been because like people didn’t think I could and so I went out and did it. It didn’t feel great. Jason: Didn’t feel good at all. Kathy: And I think that’s part of the reason I don’t want to, but if I wanted to be a runner, what you’re laying out is a good framework for how — I mean, cuz I think if

[19:50] somebody had to, they could. Well, and I didn’t run all those like — I did a lot of walk, jog, walk, jog, walk. So, but if I wanted to be a runner, like, oh yeah, I’m a runner. Jason: This is the way to do it. Like, I think most people, if you’re getting chased by zombies or whatever, you can just go out and you can run. Kathy: You can run and you’re going to live. You’re not going to get eaten that day, Jason: but it’s going to hurt. Kathy: Yes. Jason: Yeah. And there’s also potential when you reach a certain age range for like catastrophic Kathy: injury. Absolutely. Tears.

[20:21] Jason: Yep. There goes your Achilles tendon or something like that. Maybe one of these days we could have a siblings day, come on and have our siblings come on. Kathy: Oh my gosh. Jason: My — my younger brother has the most epic Kathy: Mm-hmm. Jason: marathon story. Kathy: Oh, really? Jason: He has to tell it because he’s way funnier than I am. And so one of these days we’re going to have a sibling. Kathy: You know what, we’re going to do that — that’s premium content is what that sounds like. Jason: This is premium content. Kathy: That’s premium content. Yeah. So Jason: it’s incredible. If you want to hear from Kathy’s brother or any of my

[20:53] sisters, I’m trying to think. I don’t know. I don’t know. So, but yeah, that’s — that’s got to be Kathy: pretty — it’s totally epic. I might even make you pay to hear it. Jason: Yeah. Make me — that sounds good. I — I almost would now. It sounds — what? Which brother is this? Kathy: This is my younger brother. Jason: What’s his name? Kathy: Mike. Jason: Okay. All right. All right. I’m excited to hear from Mike. Kathy: Jason: Okay. Kathy: Okay. So,

[21:24] after doing those tests, do you feel like you’re ready to run Jason: at that point in time? Probably. You’re probably — if you haven’t run or done a lot of cardio at this point in time, hopping for 30 seconds is going to feel like hopping for 10 minutes. Kathy: Okay? Jason: That 30 seconds is real long. Kathy: It’s going to burn, Jason: right? So my suggestion to somebody like that is let’s take at least four weeks Kathy: to build up your cardio, build up your

[21:54] strength. And of course for me, you know, I want to see how they do squats. Jason: Yeah. Kathy: I want to see — what their ab strength is like, because you can’t run without the core, Jason: right? You got to keep your form, right? Kathy: You must have the core. Jason: Okay, so this is reminding me of something. My brain’s going back to the Robin Pester episode, which Kathy: is one of the great episodes in the history of the PTCH Podcast. She’s so smart. Jason: She’s so smart. Kathy: And I remember what she said in

[22:24] terms of starting running. Jason: Do you remember what she said the first thing that you need to train is — Kathy: breathing? Jason: Yeah. Kathy: Yeah. So like where is that in this? Like how do you train breath? Cuz she said that and then I was like, oh no, I’m holding my breath. Jason: just — we’re waiting with bated breath for every word she has to say. Kathy: Yeah, absolutely. So, Jason: so I think all this makes sense to me in terms of — we need calf strength. Kathy: Yes. Jason: We need — we need to be able to make

[22:54] sure that we can propel ourselves. We need to be able to squat. We need to be able to maintain that frame. How do I train my breathing? Kathy: That’s a really good question. Jason: Uh Kathy: we need to have Robin back on. Jason: We do. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: She needs to train us how to breathe. Kathy: Mm-hmm. Um — yeah, she did talk to us about how you breathe, right? Remember? Jason: Yeah. Oh, Kathy: in through the nose. Jason: Yes. Kathy: Out through the mouth. Jason: Yes. Kathy: Or the ears. Jason: Yeah. And breathe in — breathe into the rib cage.

[23:24] Kathy: Yes, that’s right. And using the diaphragm. Jason: Yes. The diaphragm is big. Kathy: So, you need to expand the diaphragm when you’re breathing in. Jason: Yeah. Well, and I imagine that some of these other things that you’re talking about doing, like the jump roping in particular — there’s some cardio training there Kathy: because — like you’re going to get breathing heavy if you’re jumping rope correctly. Not like — Jason: not last night, but the night before. That’s the jump rope I like doing. Kathy: Yes. Or double Dutch back.

[23:55] Jason: It’s funny, when you were doing that, all I was thinking was “double Dutch.” I wonder why. I was — I was looking at you. I’ll tell you. Oh, double Dutch. So my parents, once they got a couple of those double Dutch ropes, were like, you know, they’re like, “You’re going to learn how to do this.” And we’re all thinking it’s because we’re Black, right? We should be able to just double Dutch. It’s part of the skill set.

Kathy: DNA is what I heard.

Jason: Exactly. It’s on the list of skills, right, on our character sheet. Well, we had this guy come over and, uh, big tall white guy. Name is Jeff. Jeff Tingy. Hey, Jeff, if you’re listening.

[24:25] Yeah. And man, Jeff came out one day when we were double dutching, and that is the day that I quit, because Jeff could do it. And I was like, “Ah, this guy’s blacker than me.” Dang it. Jeff —

Kathy: — as white as can be but blacker than you.

Jason: Yes. No, Jeff — Jeff had a lot of soul, right? So cool. I like it.

Kathy: Yeah. So the other thing too that I worry about when people are just like, “I’m just going to go run” —

Jason: — are tendons.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: Tendons are stiff.

Kathy: Mm-hm.

Jason: Tendons don’t respond as easily as

[24:57] muscles do when we decide that we’re just going to put lots of load through them.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: And this kind of goes back to strength, right? The muscles have to be strong enough to carry the load so that that force doesn’t go straight through the tendons —

Kathy: — because that’s a recipe for tendinopathy.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: Nobody wants that. Nobody wants that recipe.

Jason: Nope. No. No.

Kathy: Yeah. So that’s what I worry about when people say, “I’m gonna start running again.”

[25:29] Again, when it comes to a New Year’s resolution, I think you’re kind of setting yourself up for failure if you don’t have these other things —

Jason: Sure.

Kathy: — in place.

Jason: So, do you think that this kind of pattern applies just to running or other things, too?

Kathy: Well, yeah. I just picked running —

Jason: — um, because it was kind of the first thing that came to my head —

Kathy: Right. And it’s something you’re working on.

Jason: And it’s something I’m working on. And you know, people — oh, there’s this race that my friend did last year and I want to do it with her this year, and so I’m going to start training for the half marathon in April.

[26:00] Kathy: Yeah. It’s a really, really common goal.

Jason: No, it’s a really common goal though, that people are like, “I’m going to run, you know, a marathon a month.” I’ve had a patient that did that.

Kathy: Oh wow.

Jason: Which — that’s insane. But it’s one of those things where, like, you get in marathon shape, you can do a marathon a month.

Kathy: You can do it.

Jason: But what if it’s like, my goal is to become a supreme pickleball player or something like that?

[26:30] What would you recommend for somebody who maybe their goal isn’t to run, but there’s some other skill or sport or something like that that they wanted to become proficient at? How would be your advice in terms of breaking those things down

Kathy: to that person? Yeah, it’s — I would almost say almost like exposure therapy. So take — let’s say pickleball.

Jason: Okay.

Kathy: Pickleball takes some agility. It also — what I’m seeing — some people in the clinic now, I’m seeing elbow

[27:00] tendinopathy from pickleball. Right. So what I might suggest to people is expose yourself to those movements for short periods of time, just like, you know, hopping for running. Right? And so, if you want to play pickleball, I would suggest, you know, hopping side to side.

Jason: Start with 30 seconds, right?

Kathy: Move up to a minute. Move up to two minutes. Because in pickleball, you’re going to be playing for two hours. Like, they play game after game after game.

Jason: Yeah. And if you try to go out and play

[27:31] pickleball for two hours, you’re going to be hurting the next day.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: So you’ve got to get your muscles and tendons ready. So pick the skill that you want

Kathy: to do that year, but you’ve got to break it down into the pieces.

Jason: Right.

Kathy: Right. Right. All its components.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: Yeah. It makes me think about back in the olden days when I used to coach. Like, I coached a lot of volleyball.

Jason: Oh, yeah.

Kathy: And I didn’t know a lot about volleyball, but I knew a lot about biomechanics. So that was my superpower as coach. It was club volleyball. And

[28:03] one of the things that made me feel bad was the owner of the club — whenever he was kind of marketing it to players, because you’re competing for players, right? It’s like, are they going to go up and play in Salem with that club or over in Lebanon or something like that? And so the thing that he would always say is, “All of our coaches are also players and they have playing experience.” And I’m like, except for me. Like, Jeff, stop saying that. Stop saying that. Like —

Jason: — so I played in one sand volleyball

[28:33] tournament just so I could say I had some experience. I was horrible.

Kathy: But my superpower as a coach — maybe this isn’t — I don’t know. But the thing that I brought to the table was I understood biomechanics, and I understood this process of breaking down movements, right? And so like, one of the things that I caught on to with my younger players was some of them couldn’t pass well because they couldn’t squat. They didn’t have the range of motion or the mobility. And so if the skill is you’ve got to bend

[29:06] your knees, get low, get your arms out in front of you, but you can’t do a squat —

Jason: — it doesn’t matter how straight we get your arms or how good your platform is. We need to do that.

Kathy: And so my practices looked weird compared to other coaches, because I was worried about having athletes who could do those component movements.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: And I think it helps — I think you’re working with an expert. So I think going and finding yourself a physical therapist, or you know, anybody like that who can help you to break down

[29:36] those movements is good. But you could probably also even just like spend a little bit of time watching it and saying, “Oh, that person is hopping around on one foot, right?” Or, “I need for pickleball, I need to be able to go from this end of the court to that end of the court by sliding.” And so maybe set up some cones and slide back. You can be your own coach. Make your own drills and stuff like that.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: Yeah. Or you’ll die

Kathy: trying to, because it will hurt so bad when you can’t do it.

Jason: Oh, that’s good stuff, Kathy.

Kathy: Yeah. What’s your thing? Oh, somehow it

[30:07] there’s about streaking.

Jason: Yeah. Yeah. My thing — instead of New Year’s resolutions,

Kathy: I’m encouraging people to go streaking.

Jason: Okay.

Kathy: Much more fun.

Jason: I want to hear about this.

Kathy: Much more fun. Yeah. No, it’s not the streaking that you’re thinking about. No. So we’ve already kind of talked about this — a New Year’s resolution can be fairly binary. You either do it or you don’t. And once you have not done your thing, your year is screwed, right? It’s toast. So I

[30:38] personally prefer not to set a resolution at all, but instead it’s kind of like let’s get some streaks going, right? And I come from a gaming background, right? I’ve played a lot of Xbox and things like that. I like computer games and you get these achievements that you can unlock. And so sometimes there might be — like I played some Call of Duty and you unlock the good stuff with a kill streak,

Kathy: right?

Jason: Yeah. And so it’s like if you get five

[31:09] kills in a row, you unlock this. And one of the stats that people like to look at is what’s your longest kill streak? What’s your longest win streak? And things like that. So I like streaking. I just paused there so that we could make a clip that we could put on like TikTok of me just saying I like streaking.

Kathy: Yeah. People are going to be like, “Chiropractors. Am I right?”

Jason: Yeah. Those people —

Kathy: you’re not a real doctor. So

they should make podcasting equipment

[31:39] more expensive.

Jason: They should. Yes. So yeah. So I like — if I have something that I want to do that year, like let’s say that it’s I want to go to the gym more, right? I might see how long of a streak can I make. So it might be

how many weeks in a row can I go having gone to the gym three times,

Kathy: right?

Jason: Oh yeah.

Kathy: And I just go. And maybe the first week I don’t go at all. Well, I’m not done for the year. Once I fail, I could just start a new streak.

Jason: Yeah.

[32:09] Right. And so it’s very forgiving. At the same time, there’s some accountability. You could set up a reward or something like that. And it’s a good way to do things. And so I do this professionally. There’s some things that I have goals with in terms of some discipline that I want. I do it as a fitness goal, or like — you can, if you’re trying to eat less sugar in the year. Some people are like, “I’m not going to eat sugar for all of 2026.” Yeah. Not very realistic, right? You’re one

[32:39] birthday party away from just blowing that whole thing. But it’s like, hey, I’m going to stop eating sugar and I’m going to see how many days I can go without eating sugar. And so you go a week and then you know that first birthday party comes and you ate some cake. It’s like, okay, well cool. Well, guess what? Start a new streak. And it’s like, wow, I went eight days.

Kathy: And you keep building and building and building. And then you might find that you spent most of your year doing the thing that you want to do.

Jason: And if you get a really long streak going — because I want to go

[33:09] to the gym three times a week for as many weeks as possible. Let’s say that you do that for 40 weeks.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: And then you miss a week. Now for the rest of the year, there’s no way that you could beat 40 weeks. So you just take the rest of the year off.

Kathy: I like it.

Jason: Nah, don’t really do that.

Kathy: Just shoot for 40 weeks.

Jason: But that tends to be really successful and it’s nice and it’s an easy way to be accountable with people, too. So if

[33:40] you want to have an accountability partner, or you have a resolution with somebody, you can even compete — who can get the longest streak, right?

Kathy: And then you’re trying to like ruin each other’s streaks. Yeah. It’s really good.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: Because I think one of the big pitfalls that people have with these resolutions — like one of the problems is you go and you try and make your resolution somebody else’s resolution,

right? Like it’s not right for me to be

[34:10] like, “Oh, Kathy wants to do some running this year, so I guess I should do some running this year, too.”

Jason: I could, but that’s not good because it’s not mine. And so I think that that’s a really important thing, too. So whatever it is that you’re looking to do, whether it’s a health-related goal or, you know, you want to see how many years in a row you can pay your taxes, something like that.

Kathy: I recommend that, too.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: Yeah. This is how many days in a row I’ve gone without an arrest, you know. All those kinds of things

[34:42] I think is really fun. And it’s a process called gamification.

Jason: And gamification is very effective. It’s how our brains work, right? When you’re keeping track of things and you’re keeping score,

human beings just naturally like that.

Kathy: And so you’re always out there trying to set a new high score. And that’s what I really like. And it’s fun. It’s fun to do things that way.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: And it’s very forgiving. You can make progress

[35:12] without, you know, having ruined everything.

Jason: So yeah, you start the next day.

Kathy: Totally.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: Now, you talked a little bit about SMART goals. You mentioned that, and I put that in the outline. What is — like, you want to explain what that is? What is a SMART goal?

Jason: Yeah. So that’s an acronym.

Kathy: Okay.

Jason: That we didn’t come up with.

Kathy: We didn’t.

Jason: I don’t even know where it comes from, but it’s pretty ubiquitous, like in the world of business and leadership and things like

[35:42] that. Yeah. So what’s the acronym stand for? Yes. So, basically all your goals should be SMART. Okay. S-M-A-R-T. S-M-A-R-T. For you people whose goal it is to learn how to spell this year. So, specific. Okay. Measurable. Mhm. Achievable. Mhm. Relevant or realistic. Either one. Want to pick. Or religious. Religious.

[36:12] I haven’t seen that one. But religious goal. Sure. People might have some. Okay. And then the T — the T is time-bound. Time-bound. Okay. It’s when do we say we’ve reached our goal, or when do we want to reach this goal by, because you got to give yourself a deadline. Yeah. And I think in this context it might be 2026, right, before the end of the year. Right. Or if it’s something that’s recurring it could be like every month or within this time frame. So well, let’s start from the beginning. So what’s a specific goal?

[36:44] So, for example, you could say, let’s go back to the running. I just want to run. Uh-huh. So, what does that mean? Do you run for 10 seconds? Do you run for, you know, 10 miles? Run to the bathroom. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So, let’s be specific about that goal. Okay. I want to run a 5K. Yeah. So, if you’re looking at your goals for 2026 and you’re like, I want to be a runner — that is not a SMART goal

[37:14] at all. Right. Because it doesn’t check any of those boxes. No, it’s not specific. Okay. Yeah. For example, you know, maybe I want to do the Turkey Trot. That’s specific, right? It’s specific. That’s a 5K in November. Yes. That I got a goal. Yes. And it gives you a whole bunch of things you could use in terms of benchmarks that you have to hit. Yeah, I like it. Okay. Yeah. So, be very specific when you choose your goal. Okay. What about measurability? How do I measure it? Well, for example,

[37:45] Turkey Trot. Turkey Trot. Did you do the Turkey Trot? Yeah. Did I do it? Yes or no? Pretty easy. Check, right? No, I did not. Yes, I did. Right. Mhm. Yeah. So, measurable, right? And so like maybe an example other than running. Yeah. Might be — okay. So, if weight loss is your goal, right, then you can keep track of how much you weigh, right? Number of times I’ve gone to the gym, or amount of money that I’ve saved. You know, you can always put a quantity to it, and

[38:16] that’s measurable. Yeah. Did I get eight hours of sleep every night this week? There we go. Yeah, that is one of the best. Wait, all at the same time. Is that even possible? Yeah. That’s probably one of the best goals people could could choose for 2026. Totally. Weeknights, school nights, get your eight hours. Get your sleep in. Yeah. Okay. What about achievability? Yeah. So, is it real? Is it achievable? Is it attainable? Like I could say, I want to go to the moon this year. Not achievable.

[38:46] Yeah. I don’t know. Jeff Bezos. Yeah. Wait till 2029. The robots might get us there. Yeah. Or like my goal is to marry Taylor Swift. Right. It’s like if you’re not Travis Kelce, yeah, you’re going to have a hard time with that goal. It’s too late. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes when you make goals that require other people to do things, things are just not necessarily in your control, right? Yeah. Or I’m going to grow a tail. Not hair. Not hair.

[39:16] I can’t do that anymore either. You could — you could — I probably couldn’t. You could go mullet, man. Goals. I’ll start a mullet streak, right? Nah. So so is it relevant? Okay. Does it support the life you want to live? Ah, all right. That’s important. Yes. Yeah. So like if I’m setting a health goal — like for example a goal to smoke

[39:46] more cigarettes. Achievable. Achievable. It’s measurable. I’m at zero right now. Specific. It’s very specific. But is it relevant? No, it’s not going to make me feel better. Right. So, okay, good. All right. And then the time-bound we already kind of covered, right? Give yourself a deadline. So, and then I think that to couple with those SMART goals, that makes it

[40:17] easy to set up some streaks. Yeah. Right. So, it’s like, okay, I have this goal to run the Turkey Trot. So, I’m going to see how many consecutive days can I run a mile. Yeah. Right. So, how consistently can I do this training program or something like that? And I think too with goals, one of the things that is important — it kind of goes back to that relevant thing — is your goals, the outcome of that goal shouldn’t be arbitrary. So, losing 20

[40:48] pounds is arbitrary, right? Because losing 20 pounds of what? Yeah. Like I could lose a leg. Yeah. That’ll get me most of the way there. And that’s not really relevant, it’s not going to help me towards my goal. Right? And also why 20? Why not 22? Right. Right. Why not 18? And so when we’re looking at these things, it’s about what’s the outcome that you’re going to get if you hit that measurable thing. Right. So, even if your goal is to do the Turkey Trot, what is the outcome of that? Is it I

[41:18] want to do the Turkey Trot so that I can get the cool t-shirt, or so I can get the medal, or so I can say that I did it, I want the Instagram post. Yeah. Like what impact is that going to have in your life? Right. For me it’s cardiovascular fitness. There we go. And it’s also like proving — can I still do it? Yes. I still think of myself as an athlete. Yes. But my body says no. Right. Right. The second. Yeah. So even a goal like doing the Turkey Trot is part of another goal.

[41:49] Jason: Yeah. Kathy: Which is, “I want to be more healthy. I want to be an athlete.” Jason: Right. And so using some of these SMART goals that are very specific can actually even help us to attain some of these goals that are maybe a little more nebulous. Yeah. Kathy: Because everybody wants — and being more healthy is a good goal. Jason: Sure. Kathy: Right. And so if that’s what your goal is, find ways that you can prove that you’re more healthy, right? Like when you get to be a certain age, it’s “I want my blood work numbers to say

[42:21] this,” or, you know, “I need my cholesterol levels to be here or there.” Jason: Blood pressure is high. Kathy: I got a friend named Dan Hail. Jason: Dan is like — he’s like a second dad. Like he’s my friend’s dad. And every year for his birthday, Dan had a goal to be able to do his age in push-ups in one minute. Kathy: Wow. One minute. Jason: One minute. Yeah. And so he told me this and I was like, “Shoot, I could do

[42:51] this.” I think when he told me this, I was probably like 36. Kathy: Okay. So easy peasy then. Jason: 36. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: So I’m 48 this year and I did it. Kathy: You did it. Jason: Oh yeah. 48 push-ups in a minute. Kathy: Congrats. Jason: Yeah. But the thing that I discovered this year is now I got to prepare for it. Kathy: I got to prepare, right? Because I think I maybe had two seconds to spare. Two seconds to spare. Jason: Yeah. Dan’s in his 70s now. Kathy: Still doing it. Jason: I don’t know. I’m not

[43:22] sure. I haven’t talked to him in a bit, but maybe — like you get into your 70s and you got to be doing like more than one push-up a second. Kathy: Yeah, that’s — Jason: I think eventually you got to hit an upper limit with it. Kathy: But hey, then that’s when you add a rider to it. It’s like once you hit 60, you get an extra five or 10 seconds or something like that. Jason: But yeah, it’s — I think things like that are fun. Accomplishing goals is really rewarding.

[43:52] Kathy: I got to be honest — most of my life I’ve been really intimidated by goals. I haven’t wanted to set them because it just feels bad to fail, right? And so I think finding some systems where you’re able to recognize the continual progress towards a greater goal — which is ultimately, I think for most people, happiness. Jason: That’s the big goal. “I want to be happy.” Kathy: I think this is going to make us happy. Jason: Yeah. “I want to be happy.” I want my family to be happy, healthy, safe.

[44:23] I want to be with my family or the people that matter to me, my friends. And so all of our goals that we do should really be serving those types of things, right? So yeah. Kathy: Yeah. I love it. Jason: I like it. Kathy: Yeah. So let’s do a game time. And Raul — would you like to participate in the game? Raul: Yes. Jason: I think that maybe you could compete against Kathy. Raul: Yes, let’s do this. Jason: A little competition.

[44:53] Kathy: Yes. So, since we’re talking goals, and a goal that people have is sometimes a world record or something like that — here is the game. Okay. I’m going to read you a world record and you need to decide: is it real Jason: Okay. Kathy: or is it fake? Jason: Okay. And we’ll keep score here. See who comes out with the most. Kathy: Do we yell it out? Like, is this how fast we can decide? Jason: No, just make a decision and we’ll move on from there.

[45:24] Right. So you might say it’s real, he might say it’s real, and you might both get a point. Okay? Or maybe you’re wrong together. Jason: Which is a better way to be wrong. Kathy: It is — being wrong with friends. Okay. Raul, are you ready? Raul: I am ready. Kathy: Okay. Good. And you can tell Raul rehearsed this. “I am ready.” All right. Kathy, are you ready? Kathy: Let’s go. Jason: All right. We’re going to go hard for this one first. The fastest marathon run backwards. The record is 3 hours, 25

[45:56] minutes, 40 seconds. The holder is H.M. Arett. The year was 2010. The location was in Germany. Kathy: That’s got to be real. Raul: I’m going to also say real. Jason: Okay, you are both correct. One point each. The fastest marathon run backwards. Yes. Okay. How about this one? The longest consecutive daily squat streak,

[46:26] held by Marcus Lavine of Canada, set in 2016 — 5,842 consecutive days. Kathy: How many squats? Oh, some squats. I don’t know. That’s — 10 squats? Yeah. Jason: 5,000 days. Sure, you could do that. Kathy: 5,842 days. Marcus Lavine. Sure. 2016. What do you say? Raul: How many squats was it? Jason: I don’t know. I’m not really sure, but some squats.

[46:56] Kathy: That’s a lot of days. Jason: It’s a lot of days. Kathy: That’s like more than 10 years. Jason: Mm-hmm. Kathy: I’m going to go not true. Raul: Not true. Jason: So you’re not true. You’re true. Raul gets the point. That was a fake one. It was a fakeity fake one. Okay. Here we go. Oh, this is — you’re going to like this one. The most burpees completed in 24 hours, by Ethan Row of the United Kingdom, 2018 — 7,421 burpees

[47:26] in a row. Kathy: In a row. 24 hours. Jason: 24 hours. Well, maybe he took breaks in there. Yeah. But 7,421. Kathy: Wow. I’m going real — seems extreme, but somebody crazy enough to do it. Raul: That’s pretty extreme, but I’m going to agree with Kathy. I’m going to go real for that one. Jason: Okay. Well, you’re both wrong. Kathy: Yeah, we don’t do burpees here. All right. Okay. Here we go. The longest time

[47:59] holding a plank — this is by Daniel Scaly in 2021, just recently. Here — Kathy: I remember that. Jason: In Australia, he held it for 9 hours, 30 minutes, and 1 second. Kathy: I feel like I remember this story, so I’m going to have to go real. Jason: I don’t know. What do we think, Raul? Raul: I also feel like I remember the story. You could have made up the number. Jason: As far as I know, I could have made up the number. Raul: I remember the story itself. Jason: 9 hours, 30 minutes, 1 second. Incredible.

[48:29] Kathy: It is real. Midst the pandemic. Jason: Oh, yeah. Daniel got it done. Kathy: Must be why I knew. Jason: Okay. Kathy: All right. It’s two to — it’s three to two. Jason: I think he’s up one. Yes. Yeah, we’ll say the first person to five wins. Okay. The longest continuous yoga session —

Kathy: The record is 56 hours 15 minutes by George Hood, 2019, USA. Jason: 56 hours 15 minutes. Longest continuous

[49:00] yoga session. Kathy: Two and a half days. Sun salutations, flow yoga. Jason: For me, it’s like, no way. Kathy: That’s what I was going to say. 56 hours of — Raul: All who’s doing it. Jason: No. Kathy: You’re saying no. Jason: Not real. Kathy: Okay, Raul. Raul: Well, I know that yoga can be like meditative and I’m wondering if, like, if you get into some sort of meditative state, maybe he got into some flow. Jason: Yeah, he was transcendent,

[49:30] right? So, we’re going to go real. Kathy: You’re going to go real. All right. Raul takes the lead and he stretches out a little bit. So, is it four to two? Oh, okay. Here we go. This is game point here. So, step it up, Dr. Kathy. Here we go. Jason: All right. Most calories burned in a single workout. The record holder is Nataliya Petrova from Russia in 2020, 6,327 calories in one workout. Kathy: See, I’d have to know details like how

[50:01] long was the workout. Jason: Here is the detail that you get. It was in 2020. Kathy: Yeah. 6,327 calories. Jason: So, detail — not real. Kathy: Not real, Raul. Raul: Well, I could go like mathematically and try to, like, you know, if I go with the same answer, then I could — Kathy: I don’t know. Raul: There’s a little bit of latency, so it’s delaying my speech a bit. Jason: Okay.

[50:32] I’m going to go that it is real. Jason: You’re going to say it’s real. And you said that it’s not real? Kathy: No. Jason: Okay. Kathy gets the point. That is — that is a fakeity faker. Kathy: Okay. Four to three. Four to three. Still got life. Jason: Yes. Okay. Longest consecutive daily walking streak. Over 20,000 consecutive days and counting. This one is still going, by Hildy Doganay. Yes. 1971 is when the record was broken in

[51:02] Belgium. Kathy: Wow. Jason: And I believe that this was walking a kilometer or more per day. Kathy: It’s still alive, this record. Jason: Mm-hm. Yeah. Real. Kathy: I think that’s real, too. And I think that’s really impressive. Jason: Yeah. I mean, it’s like — I’ve walked every day. How long is 20,000 days? Is that 100 years? That could be the clue right there. I don’t know. I’ll just — I’ll just give you the answer, guys. It’s real. So, that makes Raul the

[51:33] real winner this time. Raul: 2026. Jason: Yeah. Well, winner. Kathy: Well, that’s it. I hope you all enjoyed having Raul on the show, ‘cause — you’re fired. No, no, that was — that was really good. So, Raul, if that was your New Year’s resolution this year — was to win 100% of the games that you played on the PTCH Podcast, you’re well on your way. Raul: My streak is active. Jason: It is. Yes. Yes. Just 51 more weeks, my friend. 51 more weeks. Okay. All right. Takehomes, takeaways.

[52:04] Kathy: I love the idea of the streak and gamification. Jason: You want to go streaking? Kathy: Let’s go. Jason: Okay. Let’s go streaking. Yeah. And man, I’m just going to pick yours. Like, I was really intrigued by the idea of breaking down some of these physical skills into their component parts. Because I think that sometimes people get into these things that they say that they’re going to do and it’s just drudgery and it’s painful and everything like that, but that could make it a lot easier. So, thank you. Thank you for that. Raul: Yeah. Prep your body.

[52:34] Jason: Yes. Prep your body. So, should we talk about our sponsors? Kathy: Yeah. Jason: All right. One of my favorite sponsors is Encore Physical Therapy. Physical therapy so good, you’re going to want more. Encore Physical Therapy on Ninth Street in Corvallis. Hey, do you know anybody who works there? Kathy: A couple. A couple people — a couple people work there. Yeah. So, that is the clinic of Dr. Kathy Lynch. And also one thing that we’ve learned recently is that you guys have a TPI-certified person in the clinic to

[53:05] help you perfect your golf swing. Kathy: Yes. Jason: Yes. Fantastic. Kathy: Golf mobility and strength. Jason: Love it. And you guys have an event coming up, too. Kathy: We do. We’re going to be at the Corvallis Club — Jason: January 31st. Kathy: Okay. Jason: 10 a.m. Kathy: All right. Jason: Call Encore if you want to sign up. Kathy: Yes. It’s physicaltherapyoregon.com. Jason: physicaltherapyoregon.com. All right. Good. Any sponsors you want to talk about, G? Raul: Yeah, there’s this one. It’s really great. Jason: Uh oh. Body of Health

[53:37] and Wellness. Jason: I think they make churros. Chiropractic. Raul: Churropractic. Jason: And tamales. Raul: And tamales. Jason: They bring tamales actually to my house. Raul: Yeah. Actually, Jason: every Tuesday. Raul: Yeah. I actually have somebody who brings in delicious tamales. So, tamales for adjustments. Yes. Jason: It’s where they make feeling better feel better. Raul: Feel better all the time. We laugh pretty hard. Laugh pretty hard. Jason: Yeah. All right. And I think that there is one more very important thing that we have to get to before we close. And that is

[54:08] there’s no “I” in PTCH.