Science with a Smirk: Our Evidence-Based Approach to Health

[0:00] Kathy: Hey everybody, ever wonder what happens when a chiropractor and a physical therapist join forces? It’s either going to be a brilliant partnership or an arm wrestle for musculoskeletal supremacy.

Jason: Musculoskeletal supremacy — I like that. Welcome to the PTCH Podcast, where we break down health, movement, and why you feel like you’re 80 when you’re actually 40. What happens when a chiropractor and a physical therapist get together to make a health and wellness podcast?

Kathy: The chiropractor and physical therapist

[0:30] don’t like each other?

Jason: Oh, think again. I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch, physical therapist, who likes to help people move and get stronger.

Kathy: I’m Dr. Jason Young, an evidence-based chiropractor who uses humor just as much as adjustments to help people get better. Welcome to the PTCH Podcast. Remember, there’s no I in PTCH.

Jason: All right, welcome back everybody. I’m Dr. Jason Young, I’m a chiropractor, and I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch, physical therapist. All right, great. Well, we want to introduce ourselves in this episode, talk about what we do in this

[1:00] podcast, and just give you a little bit of background. But first of all, Kathy, this was your idea, right?

Kathy: This was my idea.

Jason: Okay, why on Earth would we want to do this?

Kathy: I just — I think Jason and I have had some really good conversations and I think people should hear them.

Jason: Yes, people should hear our intrusive thoughts.

Kathy: Yeah, that’s great. We should do a podcast.

Jason: Yeah, I’m pretty sure nobody’s watching now.

Kathy: No, that’s good. So, the name —

[1:32] what’s the deal with the name? Like, are we just bad spellers, or —

Jason: Yeah, there’s no I in PTCH.

Kathy: There is no I — why is there no I in PTCH?

Jason: There’s no I in PTCH because PT is physical therapy, CH is chiropractic — or chiropractor. Yeah, you know, it’s amazing. You’d be surprised, there are people out there that legit cannot say the name of my profession correctly. Like, “churo-practor” — or that sounds yummy — or

[2:03] I will get into it a lot with people on social media and they’re like, “Well, chiropracty,” and I’m like, that’s not it. One of my favorites is “Chiropractics.”

Kathy: Oh yeah, ‘cause there’s more than one, right?

Jason: Mm-hmm. So, that’s what we threw out there — PTCH, for chiro and PT. And I think one of the things that it also kind of points to is we both love sports.

Kathy: We do love sports.

Jason: One of us was a

[2:33] college athlete — and actually, that was you.

Kathy: That was me. All right, tell us about your college athlete background.

Jason: Well, yes, I played college basketball — shout out to Nazareth College, which is now Nazareth University.

Kathy: Oh yeah.

Jason: Back in Rochester, New York. We’ve leveled up — time’s been good to Nazareth University.

Kathy: Okay, please don’t sing the fight song.

Jason: Okay, okay. Thank you. I’ll save that for later. Yeah, so

[3:04] I played Division 3 college basketball — really, excellent four years of my life — and I always think about it fondly, ‘cause I got to play basketball with some of my best friends. We took some awesome trips back in the day. Nazareth is in Rochester, New York, and so every year we’d go on a trip, so I got to fly on a plane for the first time.

Kathy: That was your first time flying on a plane — was college basketball?

Jason: Oh jeez, big time.

Kathy: Big time.

Jason: Yeah — Florida, California,

[3:35] we got out of the winter snow.

Kathy: Oh sweet, yeah, that’s really good. And then, so you’ve been playing sports your whole life, and now you coach?

Jason: I do coach, yes — go Spartans, go Spartans. Yeah, local high school, Corvallis High School here — the good guys downtown. I’m a proud Spartan myself. Yeah, so I grew up in this — I’m like on my 37th, 38th year here in Corvallis. I’m getting good at it. So I went

[4:08] to Corvallis High School, my sisters went to Corvallis High School, my little brother went to CV —

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: Still love him, still love him. Nobody’s perfect. He didn’t make it in life, did he?

Kathy: Well, I hope you’re not watching, Tyler.

Jason: No, I actually hope that you are, because if Tyler’s watching then we probably have like three viewers.

Kathy: Two.

Jason: Two or three. Yeah, anyway, one of my brothers will watch.

Kathy: Okay, cool.

Jason: Yeah, but probably not all of our brothers at the same time.

[4:39] No. But, so yeah, so I went there — in fact, when I got done with chiropractic school, I was like, I want to open a clinic in Corvallis. My wife and I moved here, and because it’s good to move somewhere with your wife —

Kathy: Yes.

Jason: — and she was like, you know what, Corvallis is a great town, they’ve got good schools. It doesn’t matter what school the kids go to, and I said, I’m glad you feel that way — they’re going to Corvallis High School. Go Spartans! So yeah, I’ve got a couple boys there right now, and my daughters went there, and I love seeing you

[5:09] there coaching the girls’ basketball team. Go Spartans, let’s go! Yes. And then, I played football in middle school, and that was also here locally. So I’ve been — what was your record?

Kathy: My record in middle school? I actually hold a record that’s never been broken.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: I am the only player in the history of the school to run for a 60-yard touchdown and have his pants around his ankles in the end

[5:39] zone.

Jason: Yeah, proud moments.

Kathy: Proud moment. Bet your parents were very proud.

Jason: They were — if they would have been at the game, they would have been even more proud.

Kathy: Yeah, pretty dope, pretty dope. So, and I coach too — I like coaching kids. So we share that in common, right? We like inspiring children who know less than us about things —

Jason: That’s the important part —

Kathy: — to hopefully do better.

[6:10] Jason: You convince them they know less than you.

Kathy: That’s not how my last coach said to do it.

Jason: Well, your last coach was probably a drunk.

Kathy: Yeah, your current coach is a doctor of physical therapy.

Jason: And he’s your last coach, right?

Kathy: That’s right — not coaching here anymore, is he? Where’s that guy? Where’s that guy?

Jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay, well, I think it would be good if we kind of kick this off

[6:41] by talking a little bit about what people can expect out of the show. It’s very serious — very, as you can tell, please, no jokes from you, no laughing.

Kathy: Yeah, okay, good. Thank you. Very stoic, quiet, reverent.

Jason: It’s a reverent show, yes. No, we want to make this fun, informative, no-BS health talk. I don’t even know what that means, but when I wrote it I was like, this is — this sounds good.

Kathy: Sounds like a tagline.

Jason: It sounds totally like a tagline, but we already have one — there’s no I in PTCH.

Kathy: Oh, there’s no —

[7:11] yeah. No BS — there’s no BS I in PTCH.

Jason: There’s no BS in healthcare, right?

Kathy: No — there’s all kinds of BS in healthcare, Kathy, come on.

Jason: Not here, not on the — not in this room, not on the podcast.

Kathy: There’s not. Well, and we also want to talk about the two — pariahs of healthcare — physical therapy mostly, and chiro.

Jason: Okay, not really pariahs, but how to get rich in healthcare — be a physical therapist.

Kathy: Yeah, mostly. Yeah, or if you

[7:41] Kathy: Can’t get into physical therapy school, become a chiropractor.

Jason: Chiropractor — yes, exactly. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I know. Well, we’ve just lost all of our colleagues who were deciding to tune in, like, “Well, I’m done with this. These people aren’t serious.” So yeah. I guess next we’re going to get to our patient base — they’ll hear about this and they’ll be like, “Well, all right.” So yeah, so basically we’re here to close down our practices pretty much. No. I remember a conversation

[8:14] that we had — because the way that we met, we were in the same networking group, BNI. Let’s go, baby! But we were in that group, and I think like we were sitting down, we were talking one day, and — well, first of all, there’s kind of this — I don’t know — this like unspoken rivalry, I guess, they’re supposed to be. It’s like the Jets and Sharks.

Kathy: Yeah, I’ll let you choose first — Jets, Sharks.

Jason: I like the Sharks.

Kathy: Okay, I’ll be the Sharks too. And so there’s this unspoken rivalry

[8:44] between chiropractors and physical therapists that, like, honestly doesn’t really need to exist, and there’s some misconceptions, right? So — I remember we had a conversation about this, and I was telling you how, you know, a lot of chiropractors — like, secretly, if you like hate chiropractic, don’t listen to this next part, I’m not trying to give you ammunition — but there’s a lot of chiropractors who are kind of envious of physical therapists, because it’s like, from our perspective, it’s like you guys have it figured out. You’ve worked your way into the healthcare system, right?

[9:15] You aren’t alternative healthcare, right? You work with doctors and hospitals, sports teams, all those kinds of things that we have just kind of been trying to pry the doors open to get into. And physical therapists just have it made.

Kathy: Yeah, right. We weasel our way in.

Jason: You did! I don’t know how you did it.

Kathy: It was mostly me.

Jason: I hear — I think it was me. We’re envious of you guys because you don’t have to work with medical

[9:45] doctors or in the hospitals.

Kathy: No, but seriously —

Jason: We’re envious of you because we think that you guys have it figured out on the business end of things. So in our profession, we are envious that you guys figured out a long time ago how to make money doing what you do.

Kathy: You want some of this money?

Jason: Yeah, yeah, you know. But one of the barriers broke down for me early on, because I went to University of Colorado for PT school, and one of our professors was a

[10:16] chiropractor.

Jason: Oh, really?

Kathy: Yeah, he taught us motor control and neuromuscular — I remember the name of the — that all sounds made up anyway.

Jason: It is made up, and that’s why they brought in the made-up doctor.

Kathy: So you had a chiropractor for potions at the University of Colorado?

Jason: Yep.

Kathy: Okay, Harry Potter. All right. Yeah, no, but he was a great guy, and he actually taught, you know, some of the exercise classes that we learned, so — oh, very interesting. So

[10:47] they were desperate.

Jason: They were pretty desperate.

Kathy: They were very desperate.

Jason: Okay, man. Well, that’s cool. Yeah, and you know, I think it’s like — I remember when you told me that I kind of laughed, because I was like, bro, I feel like I’m struggling in business, and a lot of that was kind of born out of necessity, right? I don’t know — we’ll probably talk about it in another episode, so I won’t launch all into it — but chiropractic has a history, right?

Kathy: Oh yes. Oh yes it does.

Jason: Tell me more. And so

[11:19] chiropractors have had to kind of be fighters in order to survive. Fun fact — I was reading a paper, or a book, about chiropractic philosophies, and it estimates that there were over 30,000 arrests and jailings of chiropractors in the history of chiropractic, for practicing medicine without a license.

Kathy: Wow.

Jason: Now, all this happened in the early 1900s, and it was really confusing to the people who were arrested because they weren’t trying to

[11:49] practice medicine at all — they were trying to practice chiropractic, right. And in the ’60s there was an active movement by the American Medical Association to contain and eliminate chiropractic. And so it’s always been like a dog fight in order to get what we want. And so I think that’s why, you know, we kind of had that perception of — we’ve sort of built our own thing. Yeah. But now there’s a lot of us that are trying to kind of enter into the mainstream a

[12:19] little bit more. And I think that’s probably because, you know, just being your own separate thing completely isn’t that useful, right? There’s so much demand for healthcare, so much demand for what you do, for what I do, that it just doesn’t make sense to try and build something parallel to the rest of medicine when, you know, really we can all work to make the whole thing better together. So I don’t know how to do that.

Kathy: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay. Well, in this

[12:49] episode we just kind of wanted to spend a little bit of time interviewing each other, talking about what we do, trying to catch each other off — and there’s a fun game at the end. Do you like fun games?

Jason: Fun games? Okay, all right. I prepared heavily for this game.

Kathy: So did I.

Jason: Yeah. Well, I’ll let you go ahead and kick it off. It says here in our outline that you are asking the questions.

Kathy: I’m asking the questions. I’m asking the tough questions.

Jason: You’ll ask the tough questions here. Okay, here’s the part where I get to interview Dr. Jason

[13:19] Young. Okay. So you already mentioned — and we’ll talk about, I’m sure, a lot on this podcast — your family, wonderful wife Mandy, who’s the secret sauce really.

Jason: You were just going to try to make me cry, like the very first — trust me, I’m going to cry. I love you, man.

Kathy: But all your kids have worked in the clinic.

Jason: She just turned off the podcast too. We’re officially at zero — Scott’s listening.

Kathy: Yeah, we’re paying Scott.

Jason: Oh right. Well, that’s good. Yeah, probably

[13:49] have to pay other people to listen. Okay. Taylor, Riley, Austin, Griffin — yes. Yeah, that’s my crew.

Kathy: Okay, which one’s your favorite?

Jason: Which is my favorite? Oh my gosh.

Kathy: You tell me and then I’ll tell you.

Jason: Yeah. Mandy is my favorite, absolutely. She’s the only one that I chose.

Kathy: Good answer. Yes, yes, yes. So that’s funny, because my son — my oldest son, Allon — he came to me the other day, and actually he didn’t really come to me, I think he was just talking to Mandy, and I had my

[14:19] AirPods in and I was trying to not listen, but I heard my name coming up, and he accused me of Riley being my favorite.

Kathy: Oh yes.

Jason: Which I told him — you’re absolutely right. Yeah. And he’s like, “See, I told you!” And like everybody’s like, “But no, you’re — you’re dad’s favorite.” And I was like, “Yes, and you are absolutely right too.” And I think kids have no idea how that can possibly be true — that like all of your kids are just your favorite. Of course. But yeah. Okay, so who — now I’m wondering

[14:50] Jason: Who were you going to tell me — it was — you were bluffing? Okay, all right, I got it. Your kids are great. No, but family in the gym, it’s the biggest part of what I do. It’s the whole reason for what I do. A long time ago, when I was trying to trick Mandy into marrying me, she told me that she had been in a car crash when she was like 16, 17, and her chiropractor at the time told her that she would need to marry a chiropractor

[15:21] because of all the problems that she had, so she could always get treatment. And so I was like, oh, that’s all it takes. There you go. That’s all it — that was it, done. So yeah, I was the best-looking chiropractic student — potential chiropractic student — she knew. No, I actually had to stalk her for two years. Wow, wow. You’re not proud of that though? No, I’m super proud of it. It’s totally the way to go. You know, don’t do the illegal stuff, sure. But no, I just — she had to be sure that I was all in, and

[15:51] so yeah. Okay, you’re — I think you’re all in now. Jason: I am. Yeah, yeah. So all right, another important thing in your life — the Beavers? Jason: Yes, one of the biggest Beaver fans I know. Kathy: Yes, shout out to Terry — straight up there with Terry. Jason: Yeah, Terry Garcia Liaris. She does home loans. You should think about sponsoring the show, Terry. You need a home mortgage? Yeah. Okay, name your top three favorite Beaver athletes of all time. Jason: Oh my goodness. Do we have to qualify this

[16:23] in terms of like people that I know, or just like people that I just love? Kathy: Love, yeah — the players you’ve watched, okay, over the years. Jason: All right, so in no particular order, my top three — I’ve got to go with — I’ll say Jack Coletto is one of them. Jack, if you know him, he played football and he played like every single position. And Jack also — you know, I work with

[16:54] the athletic department over there, and so we go and we do massage and chiropractic and everything like that. Every — “Hey, Dr. Young! Hey, Dr. Young!” “Jack!” “Hey, Jason!” And I was like, who are you? Right. But Jack is like — he’s super cool, and they call him the Jackhammer, and he’s like the Swiss army knife, and he was just a really fun guy to work with. And he came and did a commercial with our clinic once,

[17:24] and the thing that I think I liked about him the most was just he really kind of embodied that spirit of what a Beaver fan is. You know, it’s like — kind of more blue-collar, hard work, and everything like that. So yeah, that’s one of them. Uh, Sid the Kid — Sydney Wiese. Kathy: Wow, a left-handed point guard for OSU women’s basketball. Jason: Coach — oh yeah, she is Coach Wiese now.

[17:56] NCAA March Madness-bound coach. So shout out to Sydney. And I actually — gosh, I met her — I met her for the first time, oh, I think it was a few weeks ago, and I did the stupid thing where I was like, “You’re Sydney Wiese!” She was like, “Yeah, I am.” “Oh my gosh, Sydney Wiese! You’re Sydney Wiese! You played basketball!” It’s like when you meet somebody famous, you like tell them everything about them. Like, “Yeah, this was your number.” Uh-huh. “Yeah, you shoot the ball in the basket, right? You pass the

[18:27] ball to people, right?” So no, that was great. And I love watching Sydney because she’s an entertainer, and you could tell that she loved the team and everything, and she was having so much fun. Kathy: Her passion. Jason: Yeah, just love seeing people like that who are having fun doing something they’re really good at. And she just seems like a great person too, like really genuine and fun. And then the next one’s got to be Brandon Cooks. Like, Brandon’s my boy. And I think Brandon was one that showed me, early on in that whole thing, you could spot the professionals — he was always a professional from the beginning. And just tremendous character, man of faith, very consistent, and just exciting and electric to watch. And so yeah, love love Brandon. Kathy: So that’s your top three? Jason: Those are my top three, in no particular order.

[18:58] Kathy: A1. And — alpha — I don’t know. Well, we’re going to play a game then. Jason: Oh, jeez. Kathy: Okay, you have to answer this. Yeah, okay, here we go. Start, bench, cut. So — oh, what — I got to — Jason: Start, Venture Cook — Brandon Cooks. All right, brand — Jack Coletto. All right, I got to — I got to start Brandon. Kathy: Okay. Jason: Yeah, the guy’s a playmaker. Oh, bench — I’m going to have to bench Sid. Kathy: Oh, okay. Jason: Yeah, but the reason is because she has the ability to make an impact everywhere on the bench. Yeah, from any place. And I will cut Jack. Kathy: Okay, yeah. Jason: And the reason I can cut Jack is because Jack can take it — he’s one of the toughest guys that I’ve ever met. And

[20:01] Jack is a guy who doesn’t need to be an athlete to make an impact, to make big things happen in the world. And so Jack doesn’t need football. Kathy: Nice. Jason: Right. So football needs Jack. Kathy: Football needs Jack. Jason: Jack needs football — Kathy: I was easier than I thought it would be. Jason: Okay, oh man. That wasn’t hard. Kathy: Who else can we cut? Jason: Yeah, oh, don’t get me started. All right, let’s get down to business. All right, when did you decide you wanted to be a chiropractor? Jason: It was around — I’m going to say 2001, 2002

[20:31] maybe. And I’ve been a chiropractic patient my entire life, from when I was like 2 days old. I think that’s when I got my first adjustment. I have no idea what was wrong with me. I know that my mom was taking my sister to the chiropractor, because I think they thought that she was like funny-looking or something. And so I just got adjusted too, there, because — yeah, exactly. But I remember that I was walking on campus, and — I go to church, right — I had been involved like as a missionary for my church and everything, and I was

[21:03] walking on campus and I was studying business at the time, and I was thinking, man, if I could just like do that service thing my whole life where I’m just like helping people — that would be great. I would be poor, but that would be great. So I started thinking about what’s something I could be doing where I could own a business, and I knew that every single day I was helping people. I thought, you know what, being a chiropractor would probably be really easy. Wrong. It was extremely difficult to become a chiropractor — it’s a lot of work. But it’s such a good fit for me, because it gives me an opportunity to

[21:33] interact and interface with patients in a way that is meaningful. It’s instant gratification. I thought about actually going to med school, but I wasn’t really excited about the idea of my tools being surgery and medicine, because I don’t get to be there when the awesome happens, you know? Kathy: True. Jason: And I love medical doctors — I think that they’re awesome. But you know, it’s like, I wanted to be there when somebody felt better, not like have them go home, take a pill, and like, oh, now I feel good. Right? So yeah, that —

[22:04] Jason:…remember the question, but I answered it — did I? I did completely. Kathy: I like that line though. Jason: I want to be there when the awesome happens. Kathy: Absolutely. I think that PTs get to do that too, right? Like, “Oh my gosh, I can stand up!” Jason: Yeah, yeah. I can see, right? If you’re blind — if you’re blind, you should go to the physical therapist. Probably Encore Physical Therapy, where they specialize in curing your blindness. Proceed, Kathy. When you call, ask for Chris — he’s the blindness PT. Kathy: Yeah, I remember that. That guy’s really

[22:34] good. Okay, we got time for one more. What do you think? Jason: Yeah, one more question. All right. Kathy: Okay, what’s something impressive about you that no one actually cares about? Jason: Oh my gosh, really. Jeez. Did you use ChatGPT to find these questions? Kathy: That came up with my own brain. Jason: Something impressive about me that nobody really cares about… I don’t know. That would be a fun question to ask even

[23:05] if you don’t have an answer, man. See, I’m just trying to understand the question. Something impressive about you — you know what, I think it probably is… Kathy: Yeah? Jason: Trivia. You’re good at trivia. Kathy: Oh my gosh. Like, if it’s useless, I remember it. Jason: There you go. Kathy: I remember, and I’ll launch into a whole big story about it. 99% of the stuff is not true, but I will tell it to you like I am your history

[23:36] professor. So there we go — that’s my superpower. Jason: Jeez, Kathy, you made me feel bad about my questions. Those are freaking awesome. Okay, well you can build — you can build off those. Okay, you know what, I’m going to go and try — I’m going to use one of my best questions that I have here. Why did you become a physical therapist? Kathy: I wanted to be there when the awesome happens. Jason: Oh really? Wow, that sounds — well, okay, okay, let me color it up a little bit. And what was

[24:07] — give us the moment, the epiphany, when you knew that you were going to be Dr. Kathy Lynch, PT, DPT? Kathy: Yeah — PT, DPT. Jason: As you told me last night, it’s not just PT or DPT, it’s PT, DPT. Kathy: Exactly. There’s a comma in between. Jason: There’s a comma in there somewhere. Nobody cares where — that’s maybe that’s your talent that nobody cares — no, like, what was the epiphany? What was the moment? Kathy: Well, you’ve heard my story about how I — Jason: Yeah, yeah. Kathy: I tore my knee — tore up my knee in college. Jason: Good.

[24:41] Kathy: My story is like a lot of PTs’ stories. We had an injury and we had to go to PT and we’re like, “Oh, so…” That’s basically what happened to me. I went and I was like, “This is a super cool job.” Jason: Yeah. Kathy: And my physical therapist was my hero, because back in the day I got back to playing basketball in nine months after an ACL tear, which is not recommended anymore. Jason: That is — that’s some serious rehab. That’s frowned upon now. Don’t do it, kids.

[25:12] Kathy: Don’t do it. That’s aggressive. It’s very aggressive. So she was my hero, and I wanted to be that for somebody else. Jason: All right, I like that. That’s admirable. Kathy: Yes. Jason: I really like that. You know what’s concerning about that, though — and it has nothing to do with you or I — but that’s a very common origin story. Like, you find chiropractors, surgeons, whatever. It really concerns me when that’s why people want to become like a mental health

[25:44] professional. Like, why are you a psychotherapist? Well, funny you should ask — like, we can’t say “crazy” anymore, right? Is “crazy” — aw, we can’t say crazy. I was crazy and I went to the therapist and I think I got a little better, so I thought I want to be a psychotherapist too. So, love you, healthcare professional — especially your mental health specialist. You’re good, right? Kathy: Angels. Jason: Okay. So, as a PT, what is maybe a

[26:16] misconception about PTs that you wish you could just push a button and everybody would suddenly understand — it would be clear to them, you didn’t have to explain it to them over and over? Kathy: Have you heard the term — the term “PT stands for physical terrorist”? Jason: I haven’t heard that. Kathy: I guess you hear that — it doesn’t have to hurt. It doesn’t have to hurt. Okay, some things are going to hurt if they just do what you tell them — it doesn’t have to hurt. It doesn’t have to hurt.

[26:46] Jason: Okay, yeah. Kathy: Some things are going to be painful, yeah, but for the most part it doesn’t have to hurt. Like, if it’s hurting a lot, they’re doing it wrong. Jason: Okay. All right, well — and I think one of the things that makes me excited about this podcast is I think that we’re going to get to talk about pain a lot. Kathy: Yeah, right. It’s — yeah, it’s a thing. Jason: It’s a thing. All right, give me the worst piece of fitness advice that you could possibly — give to you? What could — no, what’s the worst piece of

[27:16] fitness advice for you or for just — just anybody? Kathy: Um, well, first of all, do a burpee. Jason: Why do you hate burpees so much? Is it because they’re worthless? Kathy: I just feel like — they’re not worthless, they’re very good exercise, but they’re not for beginners, and beginners do them a lot. You have to have tremendous core strength, hip strength, back extensor

[27:46] strength to do it. So I’ve seen people just get hurt doing it. There are other easier ways to get in shape than doing burpees. Jason: Why are you mad? Isn’t it good for business? Kathy: It is good for — you know what would be fun to do sometime is we should dig into the history of the burpee. We should, like — how did it — why do people know what a burpee is? Like, everybody knows what it is. Why is it called a burpee? You know, all that kind of stuff. Jason: I don’t know. Like, you hit the ground and you’re

[28:19] like — it must have come from the military. Seems like a military thing. I don’t know. Kathy: We’re going to — I declare we shall do an entire episode. Jason: Stay tuned. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: Oh, that was a mistake. Speaking of mistakes, what’s a really common mistake that you’ve noticed that people will make when it comes to movement? Kathy: They will kind of get stuck in a rut and do the same thing over and over. Jason: And is that bad? Kathy: Yeah. That leads to

[28:49] overuse injuries. Jason: Oh, okay. Yes. So I thought 10 bicep curls were good, so I did 50. Kathy: Yeah — you’re talking about athletes now. Jason: Well, and that’s an interesting thing. Oh, sorry, I shouldn’t touch the microphone. So that’s an interesting thing actually, because — man, I read things, I read a lot of things, and often I can’t remember where I read them or who said them, but I heard something that

[29:19] was interesting about overuse injuries. It was a perspective that there aren’t overuse injuries — there’s under-preparation injuries. Kathy: Yeah, that’s a really good way to put it. I would agree with you on that. An overuse injury — basically the tissue just isn’t ready for the load that you’re putting through it. And that’s why we’ll get a lot of tendinitis, tendinopathy. Jason: Those sound dangerous. Kathy: They’re very dangerous. Jason: And delicious. Kathy: No, I’m just kidding.

[29:49] Jason: So, all right, well that’s good. Have we asked each other enough questions?

Kathy: I think so.

Jason: Okay.

Kathy: Okay, I actually do have one more. What is the one question that you would not like me to ask you live on a podcast, and then what’s the answer to that question?

Jason: In your face, Kathy! Okay, that’s right, that was a good one. You don’t have to answer.

Kathy: No, you don’t.

Jason: No. Not yet — we’ll do another episode completely on that. Okay.

Kathy: Okay. So, Jason, I think that we

[30:19] should take a moment and just kind of share our personal philosophies, if you will, on health and wellness. Like, what approach — and why do you do it the way that you do it?

Jason: Mm-hmm. You want to start? You want me to start?

Kathy: Me to start?

Jason: You go ahead and start.

Kathy: Yeah, ready? Okay, you start — you didn’t know the game.

Jason: I didn’t know the game. What is the — yeah, I did. One, two — I didn’t do one, two, three. Rambo, darn

[30:50] it. Rock, paper, scissors. Where you from? Yeah, you know — just, this is really weird, maybe only my sisters will get this, they’re not watching — but we used to call that “eep op op.” Have you ever heard that?

Jason: Nobody’s ever heard it on earth.

Kathy: Now it’s going to take off like wildfire. Scott, would you send me an email, remind me to trademark that? “Eep op op.” Yeah, but we — “eep op op.” Okay, anyway, you lost, so you go first.

Jason: Yeah, uh-huh. What’s your — what’s your like, your personal

[31:21] philosophy on healthcare? Like, what do you believe in? What makes — what makes Dr. Kathy Lynch Dr. Kathy Lynch?

Kathy: Somebody gave me a degree. Why don’t you call University of Colorado to verify, but I do have a diploma. Okay. My philosophy, in regards to — let’s just say health and physical therapy movement —

[31:53] what I try to do in the clinic is show people that they are the key to being pain-free. They are the captain of their ship, and I’m just there to kind of point them in the right direction, answer questions — but I like to empower people to take health into their own hands, and that when they make the

[32:24] decision to do better, feel better, they can get better.

Jason: I like that. That’s good, that’s really good. Oh, I guess it’s — oh, I think it’s your turn now.

Kathy: I should — okay.

Jason: Boy. My personal wellness philosophy — well, I’ll tell you, so the thing that I care most about whenever people come into my clinic is I care that people laugh. And that’s more important to me than if they get a good adjustment, or I give them the right exercises, or

[32:54] anything like that. I think probably one of the biggest thrills that I get is if I could see somebody on their worst day and make them laugh. Like, I had a patient who came in, and he had stage four liver cancer, and I was like, “Oh man, okay, so what’s the prognosis?” He said, “Any day now,” you know. And so — but it was weird to me, because here he is at a chiropractic clinic. It’s like, so what are we doing here, what’s

[33:24] happening here?

Kathy: Let’s get you on a treatment plan, buddy!

Jason: Yeah. So I only got to work with him — I think I saw him three times — and he passed away. But man, we laughed so hard. And so that just kind of embodies what’s satisfying about healthcare to me, because there is like a power and a light, I think, inside of us. And I’m not a woo-woo chiropractor — I am evidence-based and everything like that — but I also believe in people, and like what’s going

[33:54] on inside you. And I think that how you feel about how you feel is as important as anything. And for me, that’s one of the proudest moments and the biggest successes of my career — to be able to sit with somebody who has no hope, and we can have a really good laugh. And who knows, maybe that’s one of his last healthcare interactions that he had, and it’s just — it’s a real honor, and satisfying, to do that. So whether you have, like, non-specific low back

[34:24] pain or you have stage four — please don’t come to me with stage four liver cancer, I mean, I’m not going to treat it — but I do like treating people. I don’t like treating conditions. And we’re going to have a good time, and we’re going to laugh. And that’s taken me pretty far, I think. So, well, let’s see — is it time to play a game?

Kathy: I think it is.

Jason: Okay. Are you prepared for the game?

Kathy: Yeah, yeah.

Jason: All right, let me introduce this game. Okay, this game is called Trigger

[34:55] Warning, and I am so looking forward to this. Okay. Here’s how it works —

Kathy: Oh, wait — no, I think that on this it says that you’re supposed to say “here’s how it works.”

Jason: Okay, you want to say it?

Kathy: Here’s how it works. Here’s how it works. Here’s how it works.

Jason: Okay, and then I’ll do this next part.

Kathy: Here’s how it works. Here’s how it works. Jason’s going to tell you. Okay, here’s how it works — Jason tells you how it works.

Jason: All right, so we’re going to take turns throwing out phrases to each other. Okay, it could be a phrase, an idea,

[35:25] or a myth, and we’re trying to trigger the other person. Right? And the whole goal is to get the other person to spill into some sort of passionate rant. And this is a time game, because here’s the catch — you only have five seconds to get it off your chest, and you can’t say things like “that’s dumb” or punt or pass or anything like that. You have to address the topic. And if you go over five seconds, the other person gets a point. Okay? How many things

[35:55] do you have?

Kathy: I have nine things. I’ll match you — whatever you — you’ll probably develop things on the fly, because that’s how you are.

Jason: Let’s go. I’ll go with five.

Kathy: You said you have what — five? Okay, how many do you have?

Jason: I’ve got nine.

Kathy: Oh, you have nine. I can do — so if you have extras, you know, we can do that. But okay. So I’m going to have to figure out my best five. So — think fast, rant hard. Okay, and don’t let your blood pressure spike. Okay, you ready? You’re just going to hit me with all —

Jason: No,

[36:25] we’re going to go back and forth, actually. Here’s what we’ll do — I’ll do my five, we won’t go back and forth, because like some of these might kind of crescendo into — now I’m okay, now I’m — yeah. But yeah, I’ll go first, I’ll throw five at you, and then you throw five at me. Okay? And if I can get you to go over five seconds, I get a point. We’ll see how many points I have at the end of that round, vice versa. And then if you want another shot at the title — which I’m sure I’ll have at the

[36:56] end of that — I’ve got more where that came from. Okay, all right. Let me get to my list here. Thank you, AI, for this. All right, we’re gonna start light. Okay, so — and Scott, Scott has our timer, right? Can you see that? Okay. Thank you, Scott. Scott’s our engineer. Yeah. By the way, let’s plug — let’s plug Cinematic Solutions. Cinematic Solutions — S — I totally forgot. Don’t kick us out! Cinematic Solutions, for this dope

[37:26] podcast this is awesome oh you did — you’re in the Penalty Box. Okay yeah, okay, and we’re back. And we’re back, yeah yeah. Scott deleted me for forgetting the name of this business, but yes, thank you, thank you for letting us use your studio even though we’re paying you a lot of money. So buddy, okay, but promise we’re going to pay tens of dollars — tens, tens and tens of dollars. Okay, all right, so Scott’s got the timer. You ready, Scott? Okay good. And are you

[37:56] ready, Kath? I’m ready. Okay, here we go. Ready? First trigger warning phrase: three sets of 10. Three sets of 10 — science does tell can build hypertrophy, however that is not how — that is — okay, I’m over five seconds. You’re eight seconds. Woo, one point. Okay. I don’t need to go to a physical therapist, I’ve got YouTube. Good luck. No, um — yeah, I — I got to — I’m — I’m not

[38:29] supposed to pass but I got — pass. You got two point — point. All right, ready. You only became a PT because you couldn’t get into chiropractic school. That’s right, um, I like to work on exercises versus just cracking backs. Oh shoot, you’re trying to trigger me now. Okay, but I have three points now. Tri — okay, all right, here we go, yeah, uh-huh. You got to be quick. All right, two more. Personal trainers are basically the same as PTs, and sometimes a lot more

[38:59] knowledgeable. Sometimes that’s the case. Not — okay, that’s yours. All right, here we go. And number five: PTs teach because they can’t do. That’s right, I only have to do one rep. All right, good. All right, so I had what, three points? I think I had three points — ran on all those. All right, okay, ready? I’m ready. I heard chiropractors aren’t real doctors. Chiropractors are real doctors — 4,200 hours of education

[39:30] and license. Never staged for this, let’s go. I knew that one was coming. Yes. Doesn’t cracking your joints just give you arthritis? No, cracking your joints can fix arthritis and maybe even prevent it — there’s no science to say that, but I stopped it. Okay, all right, did you get it? Did I get a point? He did it under five but it wasn’t a complete sentence. Oh, I said “but” — “but“‘s always a complete sentence. But, all right. So is cracking backs all you do? No, I

[40:00] also do everything that a physical therapist does and more. Oh, “more” — we’re going to have to talk about that. My friend said once you start seeing a chiropractor you have to go forever. Your friend’s cute but also wrong. Okay, no, um — people like feeling good, they want to feel good forever. I guess you can go for — I got at least three points. Yeah, you’re way — definitely that point. Okay, all right. Can I just fix my posture by standing up straight? Was that — was that four or five?

[40:30] That last one was way over. Was that — no, but that was — was that — that was — that was four questions. Okay, number five: Can I just fix my posture by standing up straight? That is the definition of fixing your posture. Okay, yeah, she got that one. You got that one. All right, I guess you’re champion. Okay, how many points did — how many points did she get, Scott? I got — I got two. At least you got two. Okay, and I had three, so I guess — do you want to go another round? Okay, okay. All right, I got I got a couple more here, um — you want we can go one for

[41:02] one, like back and forth like that? Okay, all right. You ready? I tried physical therapy but it didn’t work. Sounds like a you problem. Yes! All right. Okay, I’ll just watch a YouTube video and adjust myself. Oh, dang it — don’t do that. Like, it’s good for business. Yes, do that. All right, here — I got one more for you. Ready? PT, more like

[41:35] P — P — pu — p — e — yeah, no, I got nothing. Okay, darn it. All right, you got that one. Um, okay, are you out? No, I got one more, one more. Okay, here — am I’m talking to a chiropractor — isn’t physical therapy basically the same thing? It’s very similar. It’s oddly — it — it used to not be the same thing, but now they’re pretty darn similar. Pretty darn similar, okay, they are. All right, I got

[42:06] one more for you, just because — like, and you don’t — you don’t like — all right, you’ve got a weak core. My favorite one is it’s usually a tight psoas. Oh yeah, yeah. My hip flexors — uh, yeah. I had, um, I had a patient today who wanted to tell me that it was a psoas problem and it was an adductor problem, but, um, I had to invest a lot of time into talking about what the sartorius is and what it doesn’t

[42:36] — doesn’t do. And if you’re watching this, I love you, man — you’re a good dude and I’m not making fun of you, but man, you got to explain like everything, uh, like the anatomy — it gets — it gets tough. It’s difficult, but that’s — that’s why they pay us the big bucks. That’s the skill set. Yes, yes. That’s why I’m clearing eight figures — I’m not going to tell you how many of those are owed to student loan debt,

[43:06] um, and how many of those are before or after the decimal point. But okay, man. Okay, that was pretty fun. That was good. All right, well, uh — great. Oh, you know what, we had a friendly — it says on here there was supposed to be a punishment, like the loser gets a punishment. Face, um — well, I — oh, here’s the punishment: the loser has to go back and listen to this entire podcast episode and you cannot speed it up — like, no — no 1.2, no 1.5, no double time, real time. Maybe 50% speed. No, I don’t know, anyway.

[43:37] Well, I think that that about does it for us today. Okay, uh, just wanted to welcome everybody to the PTCH Podcast. Uh, hopefully you had fun — I think I had fun. You have fun? Had a lot of fun. This is pretty fun. Scott, any fun? Scott is shaking his head over there in the corner. Okay, did we pay him already? Yeah, we’re paying to be here, so yeah. Scott, do you want to get paid? Yes, you had fun. Okay, Scott suddenly is having a great time, y’all. Okay, all right. Super, um, so yeah, hopefully you’ll come back and join us

[44:07] for more episodes. Uh, we’re looking forward to having some really great expert guests — very interesting. We’re going to have literally guests from all over the world — world, world, world. Um, but uh, this is the time when we tell you to like and subscribe, right? When you subscribe, then what happens is that there are children who can’t get enough to eat in other parts of the world, um, who might somehow get food. Well, actually that’s not true — that’s — that’s a bad thing to promise. That’s a bad thing to

[44:38] promise. I will donate some money to some charity if you subscribe, and uh — but yeah, definitely subscribe. Uh, follow us, leave us a review, leave us a comment — even if the comment is that you don’t like us very much, like, that’s useful. We like good feedback, right? Um, on YouTube we’re at PTCH Podcast. You can also follow us on our socials, right? Um, so follow @ptchpodcast on Instagram. My personal

[45:08] Instagram is Body of Health — you’ll see all this at the end of the episode. Your personal Instagram is Encore Physical Therapy, okay, all one word, all one word. And if you have questions, we love — we love listener questions. How much should we love them?

Kathy: Like, this is our first episode. Yeah, like in all of our episodes, haven’t we — we just relied heavily on the listener questions, yeah. So basically we have no second episode unless you have questions.

Jason: No, no. But that’s it, so join us for

[45:40] our next episode. It’s going to be really good, and I promise that. And Kathy, thank you so much for inviting me to do this, and thank you Scott over there in the booth — appreciate you. And that’s it, and oh — remember, remember, there’s no “e” in PTCH.