1 Year of Podcasting… Here’s What Actually Happens (Most Don’t Make It This Far)

Jason: One year ago, we hit record with absolutely no idea what we were doing. And today, we’ve really committed to that strategy.

Kathy: Okay, so consistency is key. That’s not what people mean when they say that.

Jason: Yeah, but somehow here we are, 1 year later.

Kathy: Yep. 52 episodes, incredible guests.

Jason: And at least a hundred times that we said, “It depends.” That’s probably a low estimate. And Kathy, can you believe that we have survived one whole year of podcasting? I mean, we’re still friends, right?

Kathy: Yeah, barely.

[0:30]

Kathy: I mean, I’m still recovering from episode seven when you tried to reenact a 1920s adjustment on air.

Jason: Yeah, well, it was historically accurate, but yeah. We’re celebrating a year of laughs, face palms, and definitely not OSHA-approved podcast experiments.

Kathy: True. So, over the last year, we’ve covered a lot. ACLs, shoulders, strength training. And built something we’re actually really proud of.

Jason: Yeah, so today, let’s look back at some of our best episodes, best moments. And the times we accidentally said something smart. Okay,

[1:01] it happens more than you think.

Kathy: Okay, let’s not get carried away. This is The PTCH. What happens when a chiropractor and a physical therapist get together to make a health and wellness podcast?

Jason: But chiropractors and physical therapists don’t like each other.

Kathy: Oh, think again. I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch, physical therapist who likes to help people move and get stronger.

Jason: I’m Dr. Jason Young, an evidence-based chiropractor who uses humor just as much as adjustments to help people get better. Welcome to The PTCH Podcast.

Kathy: Remember, there’s no I in PTCH.

[1:35] Punishment? Woohoo!

Jason: Okay, we’re back. I’m Dr. Jason Young.

Kathy: And I’m Dr. Kathy Lynch.

Jason: Okay, still 1 year later, neither of us have lost our credentials. Goodness.

Jason: Well, happy birthday, Kathy.

Kathy: This is great. I think this is a really big deal. It is. We made it. Yeah. Do you want to know that most podcasts don’t make it this far?

Jason: Wow, really?

Kathy: Shall I share the statistics with you?

Jason: Please.

Kathy: Okay, so 90% of podcasts — these are statistics I’ve made up, by

[2:06] the way.

Jason: Yeah, no.

Kathy: But no, these are real. 90% of podcasts don’t survive three episodes.

Jason: Wow.

Kathy: Yes. Yes.

Jason: Why?

Kathy: Well, because they suck.

Jason: And look at us, right? Bucking the odds.

Kathy: 52. Yeah, so — and there’s been about 4.6 million podcasts ever created. Wow. 15% of those are health and wellness based.

Jason: Mhm. And look at us, like, here we are. Still crushing it.

[2:36] We will not go away, despite the demands that we have received via email,

snail mail, certified mail, subpoenas, all of it. Here we are.

Kathy: The people don’t know the address where we record.

Jason: Yes. Titan podcasting studio. If you want to forward any correspondence to us, you know, that’s the place to do it. Let’s see. There was one other little statistic I found. So,

[3:07] the 90% don’t get past three episodes, and another 90% of those don’t ever reach episode 20.

Kathy: 20?

Jason: Yes. Yes.

Kathy: We started at 20.

Jason: Yeah, well, 20 is — I think when we made our first million dollars off of the podcast. So, yeah.

Kathy: Wait. Maybe a different podcast.

Jason: Do you have the wrong bank account for me? Because I haven’t quite got that.

Kathy: Yeah, moving on. No.

Jason: So, and then after that, only about 6% of podcasts reach episode 100. So,

[3:38] that’s our next big milestone. Here we go.

Kathy: Yeah, 52 is a great start. I still feel like we have lots of stuff to talk about and lots of ground to cover. So,

Jason: Much more fun to be had.

Kathy: I think so. I think so. And I want to thank you, because this has legit been one of the best experiences of my life — making this podcast — and it’s made me think a lot and grow a lot, research a lot. And so, yeah. Good idea. Good idea, Kathy.

[4:08] Jason: Well, I want to thank you, too, because this is a lot of times the most fun part of my day.

Kathy: Yeah, good. Yeah, we should do this more days.

Jason: We should do it more days, like every day.

Kathy: Every day.

Jason: Full-time? Every day is podcast day. I do like — on the days when we’re going to get up and record, I wake up and that’s the thought that goes through my head. It’s podcast day.

Kathy: Yes. It makes me a better PT. Does it? How so?

Jason: Well, because I feel like I have to be able to explain my thoughts and why I treat people. Mhm. Well, not why I treat

[4:40] people, but — here’s why I’m treating. This is why. Why I use the interventions I use.

Kathy: Okay. Yeah, so — you know, I’m almost 11 years into being a PT, and you kind of go on autopilot, and you know why you’re doing the things you’re doing, but you haven’t articulated it out loud. So, by doing this, I’m reminding myself: these are the principles and this is why I’m doing what I’m doing. Yeah.

Jason: Yeah. I think that’s true, and I think I’ve seen that, too. Because I know that there are

[5:12] things that I’ve added to my practice because of this show.

Kathy: Mhm. No doubt. Like, it’s great to talk to some of our guests. I learn a lot of things from you, where it’s like, “Oh, shoot. I should be incorporating this more into my practice.” Mhm. And I think that also when you put out some of your beliefs and practice philosophy publicly like that, now there’s more pressure to actually live it.

Jason: To live up to it.

Kathy: Absolutely. So, yeah. I think it’s a real privilege that way, to be able to —

[5:43] I mean, it’s — I’m not just talking about the chairs. This is uncomfortable, right? It’s fun, but it’s also uncomfortable.

Jason: These chairs aren’t comfortable.

Kathy: No, but things that are uncomfortable, they push you to be better. And so, I really love the growth that I’ve felt. It’s a good creative outlet for me.

Jason: Yeah. And I think I’ve mentioned this several times — Mandy loves it because it’s a creative outlet that actually has anything to do with my job.

[6:14]

Jason: It’s keeping me from dressing up like Santa. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and singing.

Kathy: Yes, uh-huh. Right. Yes. This takes much less time.

Jason: Yeah, totally. Totally. So, very rewarding. And also, I think one of the things I really liked about it is hearing feedback from people when we’ve said some things that have changed their health, changed their life, given them some encouragement. And that’s really rewarding, too. So,

[6:45] Jason: Mhm. Yeah, I’ve learned — I’ve learned a bunch. I think we’re going to talk about that —

Kathy: We are.

Jason: — in this episode, but yeah, I’ve learned over the last year just having the different people in with us. I’ve really, like you said, grown, I think, as a provider.

Kathy: Yeah, I think we’ve said enough. Okay. Remember, there’s no I in PTCH. No, I’m just kidding.

Kathy:

Jason: But there’s still no I in PTCH, and there’s not going to be an I in PTCH next year. Yeah, we’re not bringing on like an internal medicine doctor. Sorry.

Kathy: No. LMT was like really pushing hard.

Jason: Was very difficult to pronounce whenever

[7:15] she was trying to talk her way onto the show. The “PLMTch.” Yeah, I feel like it’s hard to say that without accidentally throwing out some swear word. Although, I don’t even know what the swear word would be. So, you want to kind of break down the format for what we’re doing today?

Kathy: Well, we’re just — each of us have chosen five of our favorite either moments or episodes that we’re going to talk about.

Jason: Yeah, so maybe we have some that

[7:46] overlap, maybe we don’t. Maybe there’s not 10 between us.

Kathy: We haven’t discussed this. This is a surprise to each of us.

Jason: Yeah. So, it was kind of fun because I was going back and I was looking at our catalog of episodes. And also, in this day of artificial intelligence —

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: — I fed all of our transcripts into — I have a library. I have a PTCH Podcast library, so I can go search for

[8:16] anything. I know where it pops up, and which episode, and everything. And so, it’s amazing the amount of ground that we’ve covered. It’s so surprising to me.

Kathy: It really is.

Jason: Yeah, so it’s over 52 hours of content that we’ve recorded. If you put this into a book — you know, I like audiobooks, but I would never read a 52-hour audiobook.

Kathy: No, never. So, I wonder how many people we have that have listened to every single episode.

Jason: Yeah, we know a couple. I know a — yeah, I

[8:47] know one for sure. Yeah. Are you talking about Coach Dan?

Kathy: Coach Dan?

Jason: Coach Dan, shout out.

Kathy: Yeah, Amy. Amy’s listened to all of them. So, yeah, we have some amazing people out there — thank you for the support. Like, the people who — I think it means a lot when people are like, “Hey, I listened to your podcast.” It’s like, “Okay, I’ll go ahead and do it another week.”

Jason: There it is. Yeah. And just so you know — Ultra — I got questions about Ultra. We have sold a lot of Ultras.

[9:17] Kathy: Yes. Whether they know it or not.

Jason: Whether they know it or not. I keep getting questions about Ultras because they listen to the podcast.

Kathy: Totally. Yes. And so, I am reaching out to them to see if they would like to sponsor. So, yes, we do love you, Ultra. We do. And then, based on your next move, we’ll decide how much we — I’m just kidding.

Jason: All right. Well, is it all right if I go first?

Kathy: Yeah, please start.

Jason: So, I don’t — I should have pulled up my notes in front of me before we started doing this, but I know

[9:47] what my first one is, actually. And looking back at all this, some of the early episodes — I got to find a way to promote them because we did some really good work in the beginning and nobody’s seen it, because it was — really, gosh, it was probably around our 25th, 26th episode where we started consistently getting a lot of views. And so, like now on average we’ll get a few thousand views on YouTube and we’ll get like a couple hundred views on

[10:17] Spotify, as far as I know. And Spotify people are hardcore — I love you. But we did a show that only had 54 views on YouTube and I think it deserves so many more.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: But that was the episode where we talked about what it means to be evidence-based.

Kathy: Oh, yeah.

Jason: Yeah, because I think that there’s plenty of dogma out there in the world of healthcare, especially with physical medicine. And I think that we

[10:47] were talking about this really in the context of chiropractors because, you know, there’s people that are like, “You guys aren’t evidence-based.” But it happens in PT, too, right?

Kathy: Yes. And so, everybody go back and listen to — jeez, what was that episode? Goodness, I have it written down. I should look at the notes.

Jason: Yeah. But that episode where we talked about evidence-based medicine — I think that one was really good and it shares a lot of things that people

[11:17] should know whenever they’re evaluating evidence in a world full of influencers. So, yeah, I really liked that one and that one actually was a springboard to things that I would do later on — like some series that I do on social media. So, the research for it really helped me to, like you were talking about, kind of hone in and fine-tune what it is that I do. Yeah. That was my first one. Okay. Episode

[11:47] whatever it was on evidence-based practice. Why don’t you go and I’m going to look up — I’m going to get the facts.

Kathy: Okay.

Jason: Straight facts on where we are with that.

Kathy: Okay, so one of my favorite episodes — these are not ranked in order — but one of my favorites was with Chris Kwaka. Yes. And he works with Benton County —

Jason: Yes, Benton County Foundation.

Kathy: Foundation, okay.

[12:17] And so, what we learned from Chris is that giving actually makes you healthier.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: He threw out some stats I wanted to repeat again because it was kind of mind-blowing to me that — helping — I’m going to read this off. Helping others lowers stress, which in turn reduces mortality risk. A five-year study indicated that individuals who volunteered regularly experience a 63%

[12:48] lower mortality rate. That’s incredible.

Jason: Yeah, you want to live longer? Just got to give a little —

Kathy: Give a little bit more. Yeah. And he’s one of the — I did some research afterwards. I want to make sure he wasn’t lying. I’m kidding.

But regular volunteering or charitable giving is linked to lower blood pressure and reduced risk of chronic heart disease. Which is nuts. Like, how would those be related?

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: Mhm.

[13:18] Mental health well-being — generosity reduces feelings of depression, increases happiness, and boosts life satisfaction. So, if you’re feeling depressed, just get out there and help.

Kathy: Yeah, totally. Well, it’s one of those real like chicken and egg things, right? Is it like the type of person who would be giving is the type of person who’s going to care about other things — right — with their life and their health, or is it the act of giving that boosts it? And I don’t think it matters. Just be the type of person that

[13:49] gives and you’ll probably get those benefits.

Jason: Yeah. And if you don’t, you’re dead anyway and you can’t call us on it.

And the last part — what I saw in my research — was it’s called the helper’s high. So, neurochemical responses to altruism include activation of the brain’s mesolimbic system, which is the reward center that controls feelings of pleasure, providing a similar high to that of social connection.

Kathy: Mhm.

[14:20] Because when you are out there volunteering, you are creating social connections.

Jason: Yeah, totally. Mhm. Yeah. So, that’s why that was one of my favorite episodes. I learned a lot in that episode. You know, and I actually thought about that episode this week — I did — it was mock interviews with the high school kids.

Kathy: Yeah.

Jason: And so, you get high school students who, you know, they’re juniors, seniors, and they get an opportunity to sit down with some business people in the community. You go through a mock interview, we ask them a few questions,

[14:50] and it was really, really interesting to see just how well prepared some of these kids are, with a lot of different experiences and jobs and things like that. And then also to come across some who maybe didn’t have some of those things, and it’s like the resume is a little empty. And so, it actually even felt good to sit down and talk with those kids. And they’re like, “Well, I don’t know how to get experience. I’ve never had a job,

[15:20] blah blah blah blah blah.” And it’s like, join a club. Mhm. Right? Join some sort of a team. Volunteer, right? And if you don’t know about an organization you can volunteer with, you don’t need an organization. Like, go find somebody in your neighborhood, find out if you can walk their dog, if you can mow their lawn. Like, if you’re out there serving, it just vastly opens your opportunities. Like, one kid — I was like, with your resume right now, you can get a job at Burger King and that’s probably about it. Not to

[15:51] knock on anybody who’s working at Burger King, but there just aren’t a lot of special skills that you need to do a job like that. And so, but if you want to work with animals, right? You want to do research, you’ve got to open and broaden your horizons, and volunteering and giving is a really great way to get there.

Kathy: Yeah, it can really open some doors for young people. And apparently those young people are going to live forever, right? Thanks, Chris.

[16:21] That was — yeah. Yeah. That’s one of my favorites. What’s your next favorite?

Jason: Okay, so first of all, I went back and I looked it up, and that was episode 10 — the one that I was talking about.

Kathy: Okay. About evidence-based medicine. Okay.

Jason: I’m going to go to one of the craziest moments. I’m sure that you’ll remember this. We had an episode — this is like one of our first episodes that really kind of blew up and got big, and it actually got big overseas in the UK.

[16:51] There was somebody out there who kind of saw the video and then started sharing it with their clients, and so we started getting responses from them. That was episode number 24 — does biodynamic craniosacral therapy work? And we had Keenan on. We love Keenan, and shout out to Keenan — they just had a baby.

Kathy: Yeah, that’s really exciting.

Jason: So, the good old Keenan Bloom family is

[17:21] growing. But that was a really great episode. We got so many really good responses. I know that Keenan has seen a lot of people based on that, and I’ve heard feedback from people that it was just great. So, thank you, Keenan. Now, the thing that you said that really weirded us out — do you remember what it was, Kathy?

Kathy: No idea. Oh gosh, it was about the urine.

Jason: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, the urine. I will never forget that, right? That’s right. That’s right. And so, he talked about how — you know, there’s some people that use

[17:51] urine to soften their skin. And — yes. I just remember as he was sitting there saying it, I was thinking, man, this is such a wonderful episode, and it’s such a great exposure to people of something that’s maybe kind of a little bit of a fringe topic, but we brought somebody who’s so credible and speaks so well about it. And did you JUST SAY URINE? IS THAT WHAT I JUST HEARD? Yeah, did you just say pee pee on your hands and they’ll be softer?

So, yeah, that was great, and

[18:24] it’s so funny too, because when people talk about that episode, my first question is, did you make it all the way through? Because that happened just right towards the end of the episode. And you know, it was funny. So, for people who are wondering, Keenan does not pee on his hands.

Kathy: No, he doesn’t. He might have experimented a little.

Jason: Yes, he doesn’t do it at work.

Kathy: Not at work. Never at work. No.

Jason: But that — I didn’t see that one coming. I never would have expected it. But yeah, that is

[18:56] going to be a core memory of our first year podcasting.

Kathy: Yeah, I got a lot of good feedback on that one too. I think it was — people just like, I’ve always struggled to understand what’s exactly happening. And listening to that podcast helped people understand what craniosacral therapy is.

Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Totes. Yeah. It was good. All right, Kathy, your turn.

Kathy: All right. Okay, next — Kyle Hatch. His

[19:26] episode was real early, yeah.

Jason: Yes. Within the first five, I think.

Kathy: Yeah, I think — let me see here. Kyle, Kyle, Kyle. This is a very — I felt like it was a really important episode.

Jason: Yeah. One of our early guests, Kyle was episode nine.

Kathy: Nine.

Jason: Yes.

Kathy: That’s what I thought. Okay. So, to refresh memory, Kyle works for Samaritan Health Services, which is a local hospital system here in Corvallis, and what he does — his job basically is

[19:56] to help veterans of the military use their benefits. And he gave us some crazy stat like 54% of veterans don’t use their benefits because A they don’t know how to or B they don’t think that they’re worthy of getting them because they didn’t serve in combat. Kathy: Yeah. As if that was a factor too. Jason: And then the one story he told us about how he helped a veteran who the VA had

[20:26] kind of been playing fast and loose with him and didn’t — wasn’t paying him benefits and so Kyle helped him get 100% of back pay, which came out to be about $300,000. Kathy: Yes. That’s right. Which is crazy. Jason: Yes. Kathy: Yeah. They just — you know the system for the veterans is just so hard to navigate. It’s so confusing and you know trying to make a phone call — you got to call at this certain time and

[20:56] this time you’re going to be on hold for 2 hours. If you call at this time and this date you’re going to be able to get to the right person. So the system is just really hard and so Kyle helps the veterans navigate that. Jason: Totally. That’s one of my favorite episodes. Well, and I think one of the things that I got out of that episode — I kind of had an epiphany as we were sitting and talking about it — just how convoluted that system can be. And there was a moment though where I kind of had some compassion for the people who work in the

[21:28] system, because I don’t think that they choose for it to be that way. But there are so many pressures and outside forces — because the VA stuff is highly, highly politicized. Kathy: Yes. And when you look at Congress it’s always political fodder and everybody wants to pretend like, oh, we love our veterans, and so it’s like — but it just doesn’t show up that way on the other end. And I see those people, they’re busting their butts to try to

[21:58] serve veterans and do it in a good way, but the bureaucracy — Jason: Yeah, the bureaucracy is frustrating. Kathy: Like they’re handcuffed. Jason: It is. Yeah. But you know I love working with veterans and I love the work that Kyle continues to do. I actually just last week had a veteran reach out for a letter about their condition — they’re trying to get their disability rating — and he said yeah, Kyle said to call you. And it’s like, so I know my man Kyle’s

[22:28] out there still doing good work. And when Kyle sends somebody I know I better get to it right away. Kathy: Jason: It’s like — because you know the guy’s a bulldog and he does some good work for people, so thank you Kyle. Kathy: Yeah. Yeah. And thank you veterans. We love you guys. Jason: We really do. Kathy: And gals. So, sweet. Okay. Let’s see — is it me again? Yeah, it’s up to you. Hmm, let me pretend like I’ve listened to more than like two or three of these.

[22:59] Oh okay. I wrote down this one — the episode that I had the most fun prepping for was episode number four. Remember what we did? Jason: No. Kathy: That was burpees. Jason: Oh god. Yeah. So a lot of times when we’re talking we’re talking from a fairly robust knowledge base, right? We’re talking about things that we talk about every day with patients. And so I mean we could

[23:29] sit here and just kind of riff on things all the time. The burpee episode required a little bit of preparation and so that was I think our first chance to really kind of deep dive a topic and figure out what the heck is this, you know? And so that’s what we talked about — Royal Burpee. Kathy: Royal T. Burpee. Jason: Good old Royal. And it really kind of — it was something where I think the common ground as a chiropractor and a physical therapist that we came to this PTCH Podcast

[24:00] project with was that burpees are awful. And that was pretty much — Kathy: That’s the end of it. Jason: pretty much what we based everything on. Yeah. And we talked about it in our very first episode that, you know, burpees suck — we know — and at some point we’re going to bag on them. But kind of digging into that, what I learned was that burpees are just misunderstood, right? They weren’t meant to be a way for CrossFit trainers to destroy the confidence and

[24:31] souls Kathy: Yes. of those who are doing them. It’s not a punishment as it was originally. Kathy: Yeah. It was a physical fitness test. Jason: Yes, absolutely. And so it was really kind of cool to go through and research that. I thought that that was fun prepping for that and I was like, jeez, if we do this podcasting and I get so many opportunities to learn about things, I think that that would be really great. So really loved prepping for the

[25:01] Royal Burpee episode. Kathy: That was a good one. Jason: I still have not done a single burpee Kathy: Yes. since we made that, but I just don’t feel the need to be tested. Jason: Yeah. Kathy: Did you have thought that the guy’s name was literally Royal Burpee? Royal Burpee. Jason: What a great name. I know, it’s like — because the exercise kind of does look like you’re burping. Kathy: I guess. Yeah, you know? And I talked about my PE teacher and I was like, this guy’s a dork, he just came up with some stupid name for these.

[25:32] Jason: But yeah, the burpee. Kathy: That was a good one. A newfound respect. Newfound respect. Jason: So you liked the prepping because you drank caffeinated — or carbonated — black Kathy: Gosh, that’s right. Jason: That’s what you liked about it the most. Kathy: That was a really fun game too when we had to — Jason: We had to answer the questions without burping. Kathy: Oh jeez. I know. I love how people responded to that too, because I’m like, to all my patients, most of my chiropractic visits now are more

[26:03] about promoting the podcast Kathy: than about healthcare. Jason: Yeah. People are like, oh yeah, my back really hurts right here, and I’m like, okay, so do you have Spotify? Kathy: Are you more of a Spotify or YouTube person? Jason: Yeah. So it’s like, oh, do you guys talk about back problems? Kathy: Not really. Jason: But you know if you’ll listen to that, maybe I’ll reward you with some sort of treatment. Kathy: I’ll give you an extra special. Jason: Exactly. I’ll let you get a massage. Kathy: Yeah, we need some more followers on Spotify. Jason: Yeah, but you know I seriously

[26:35] Jason: Had patients who came back and they’re like, “Seriously, like you were just burping on a podcast and you think that’s helping your case?” Yeah. You know what people think about chiropractors? Goodness. Okay. Your turn.

Kathy: You’re not going to be surprised by this — my next one. So my next favorite was Amy McDevitt. Yes. Of course. I prepped for months.

Jason: Yeah.

Kathy: I was so excited for that one.

[27:05] Jason: You were so excited during that one. Oh my god.

Kathy: Right? You’re like, “This is my friend Amy. She’s amazing.” She’s so awesome. Look at her. Look at her hair. Look at her smile. She’s got a microphone. See her microphone? She’s got her own microphone ‘cause she’s super smart. She’s super smart.

Jason: She’s the smartest woman I know in the world. She delivered.

Kathy: It was fantastic. You had every right and reason to get excited about Amy.

Jason: Yeah, she’s legit. And what I loved about it was, you know, we talked about how our language as healthcare providers can

[27:37] either heal or harm. Yes. You know, we talked about using harmful language like, “You have the back of an 80-year-old,” or “degenerative,” or that kind of thing. And I was kind of rewatching the episode and she brought up — ‘cause she’s also very funny too — the word “fissure.” Yes.

Kathy:

Jason: Fissuring. “You have a fissure.” And she’s like, “Isn’t that the word they use for before it becomes an earthquake?” Mm-hm. And we’re using it for the human body.

[28:11] My big takeaway from that episode, which I love, is — and she said it, and she just says it with such, you know, straight — to the point: can we just normalize pain? Yes. You’re going to have pain in life.

Kathy: Mm-hm. And so, you know, there’s some pain that you obviously shouldn’t ignore, like chest pain. Yes. But there is musculoskeletal pain that is not catastrophic,

Jason: Mm-hm,

Kathy: and it’s usually temporary, but you can’t just rest your way into feeling better. Yes. You have to move to feel better. And

[28:43] so that was one of the things that, you know, I think — you knew it, but until she said it out loud I was like, yes. We need to normalize pain in our everyday life. Yes, totally. Yeah. Have you ever used the STarT Back questionnaire?

Jason: No.

Kathy: Yeah, it’s all spelled weird. It’s like capital S, capital T, lowercase A, R, and capital P. Okay. But anyway, it’s a nine-question questionnaire that I give to just

[29:13] about everybody who comes in. And it’s really simple, and it asks questions about kind of what you feel about your injuries — like there’s questions like, “Have you had bothersome neck pain in the last two weeks, or back pain in the last two weeks?” Okay. There’s a question like, “Do you think that somebody who has a condition like yours” — it’s whether it’s safe to exercise or not. Oh. And so it’s all these kinds of things, and one of the purposes of that is to

[29:44] kind of try and predict the chances that somebody’s problem will become a chronic problem. Mm-hm. And it’s been studied a lot. The validity, questionable. But I think it’s useful. And one of the things that it does is it helps me to tune in to who really needs to hear the good language, right? Yeah. Really good tool. So if somebody scores really high on that, I know that that’s somebody who I’m going to want to lay off of passive care with.

[30:14] Mm-hm. So maybe fewer adjustments and really lean into, “Hey, let’s talk about kind of modifying your circumstances — like your work situation, like what’s your kitchen like whenever you’re cleaning where you’re having the back pain.” And I do that with everybody, but it’s like, where do we put the emphasis in the treatment? And there’s some people who score really low on it, and it’s like, that’s somebody where it’s like I could probably give them a couple adjustments just to give them a nudge along the way, give them some exercises, and they’re going to

[30:45] kind of pick up the ball and run with it. And so talking about those kinds of things with Amy really made me think about that type of a tool, because there’s so much research that has been done and is being done in terms of how we talk and our expectations around pain and everything like that. And a survey like that helps you know who it’s even safe to talk about pain with. Yeah. So if you’re a nine, like I almost don’t even want to know about your pain. Right.

[31:15] Like, we just need to get you functioning. And as you get functioning, you’re going to feel better. So yeah, Amy was a real star. Yeah, that’s a really good tool. Do you remember — I have, of course I have a list of other things — remember when she said, you know, that gray hair is degenerative hair? Yes. Normalize, ‘cause we — we use “degenerative” for the spine. Can we just normalize like, “Okay, oh, I’m sorry about your degenerative hair.”

Jason: I know, well, and I had heard before, like

[31:45] people say that degeneration is the gray hair of the spine. I’d never heard anybody flip it on its head and be like, “You got degenerative hair.” Oh. I got a degenerative hairline. Does that hurt?

Kathy: Yeah, it’s so painful. Yeah, and this is why all the problems in my life happened, right? It’s why I can’t work, ‘cause look at this hairline.

Jason: I don’t have Keenan hair, okay? Oh man. Okay. Best hair — best hair of the — absolutely, yeah. Yeah, if we’re going to vote,

[32:16] Keenan’s hair is definitely next level. We have a few people — you have good hair. Like, you have signature hair is what it is. That gray swatch — it makes you look like a superhero. Although — yeah.

Kathy:

Jason: Although — oh, that story. We did get one person, one commenter on YouTube who made a comment about Kathy’s hair. And that wasn’t the funny thing, though. The funny thing was like immediately —

[32:47] timestamp, like five minutes later — it was like they’re like, “That’s not a nice thing to say. I shouldn’t have said that.” Yeah. They said my hairstyle is a choice. Yeah, that’s right. And then they’re like, “Oh, I’m sorry. That’s not cool.”

Kathy: Really nice. I’m sorry. Yeah. Which is why we have the best fans. Yes. Yeah, I was really kind of more prepared — maybe it’s ‘cause I’m a chiropractor, I put stuff on social media — I was prepared for a lot more hate than — yeah, I would agree. Yeah, like

[33:17] Jason: I was like one episode that I thought in particular, and this will be my number four. The episode, let’s see, what’s it called? Oh, is chiropractic a dangerous pseudoscientific scam? Okay. Yes. Which for me this was a great episode because it was so cathartic. Kathy: Yeah, you needed to get that off your chest. Jason: Yeah, I am — I am in the comments. And if you watch it, like a lot of it is Kathy just sitting there like being a mental

[33:48] health therapist. Mhm. Mhm. Okay, Jason. Yeah. So what — how did that make you feel? Kathy: Yeah, wow. Yeah, it seems like that really upset you. Mhm. Tell me about your dad. Jason: Yeah. But that that was a great episode for me, because this is a really fun platform to be able to like generate so much information and content that your haters — they have to be so committed, so committed, to like jump in the

[34:18] comments and like tear everything apart, because I have an hour. Kathy: Jason: I have an hour to sit here and present everything. And people don’t know, but this studio — it’s a very small room, right? Kathy: There is a code to get into the door of the building. And so it’s really fun to be able to sit here and talk about things that, you know, we’re passionate about or are important to us. Jason: Yeah. So that episode to me was really important and it is so satisfying sometimes — like people are like, “Well, this and this and this.” And I just

[34:48] send them the link. Say, “Here you go.” Kathy: Here’s this research. Jason: I bet you can’t even watch 10 minutes of this. So — and you know what? They don’t. Kathy: They don’t. Jason: Watch it anymore. Kathy: Back. Jason: Right. So, yeah, it’s fun to have a platform. And may we never abuse it. Just kidding, we’re going to abuse it all the time. Yeah, we’re going to be using it for good, not for evil. But that was a really fun episode. And I think that that’s one of the things I appreciate about this — um,

[35:20] you know, one of the challenges with our podcast as we were kind of researching, like, “Okay, what makes a good podcast?” One of the things I kept reading was there needs to be conflict. Kathy: Mhm. Right? Because people tune in for conflict. Jason: Yeah. And if people don’t understand the dynamic between you and I, it’s like there just isn’t enough conflict there. And maybe that’s why, you know, we haven’t beat Joe Rogan. We need more conflict. Kathy: More conflict. Jason: To fake it is the problem. We agree on too much.

[35:50] Kathy: Totally. Well, and it’s because I think that we both have a commitment to people, to evidence, and to just being good, decent human beings. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. And it’s interesting because the two professions are so similar that a really good chiropractor and a really good physical therapist — what they do is going to be very difficult to tell apart. Kathy: Yeah. Yeah, our professions are — and I think they’re even getting more and more similar. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Kathy: Yeah. Like I have this series, 100 Days

[36:20] of Evidence for Chiropractic. And there was one guy who was like, “This is crap. Like this study is terrible. Like you guys aren’t researchers. You know, chiropractors aren’t scientists, blah blah blah.” And so I just got the biggest smile on my face when he said that. I can’t remember what the study was about, but it was something about manipulation. And so I was like, “Huh. So your point is that because chiropractors did this, that all these

[36:51] all these findings are invalid because we’re just too dumb.” Oh, that was the thing he said — “You don’t know anything about scientific method.” You know, which they teach in middle school. And so I said, “Tell me again that you didn’t read the paper without telling me that you didn’t read the paper, because if you look at the paper, you’ll see that it was written by physical therapists and PhDs. There was not a single chiropractor on it.” But because it was a chiropractor presenting it, he just assumed, “Oh,

[37:21] this is all dumb chiropractors.” And so I think that’s one thing that I really do like about the show — we’re an example, we’re like ambassadors to the world about what good chiropractic and good PT should be, which is that we can collaborate, we can have our focuses, we can have totally overlapping scopes. Kathy: Yeah. Jason: And so hopefully that’s been a valuable thing to people out there. Kathy: 100%. I don’t know that

[37:51] professionals watch this show. Jason: Well, one of our — yeah, I got a couple PT friends that listen. Kathy: Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Jason: You’re my only PT friend. None of the rest of them will talk to me. All right, I think that was my number four. Kathy: Okay. Four for me — and these are not in order because these people are my friends, too, you know. Dr. Carrie Boysen. Jason: Oh, yes. Kathy: Pelvic floor specialist. Jason: Yes. And a real firecracker. Holy

[38:22] smokes. Kathy: Firecracker. Yes. And what I appreciated about it — I mean, you’re a healthcare provider, but how well you behaved as we spoke about women’s health and pelvic health. Jason: Uh-huh. I have a pelvis. Kathy: Yes, you do have a pelvis. Carrie not only is an expert in her field, but just, you know, down-to-earth human, and really good at what she does. But she was

[38:52] one of many of our episodes where we talked about breathing and how breathing was really important to pelvic health. That was so surprising — how much some themes kept coming up. Breathing definitely one of them. And how women’s health and pelvic health comes up at dinner, breakfast, and lunch at the Boysen family. Jason: Yes, which is why I will never accept an invitation to dine with the Boysens. Yes, in case you were tempted. In case

[39:24] you were tempted to invite me — Doug and Carrie, I am busy. I’m busy that morning, afternoon, or evening. So yeah, that was one of my favorite — just really all around fun episodes. Jason: Yeah, she was good. Real — like you’re not lying when you say somebody who’s really on top of her game, so knowledgeable. The visual aid was stunning. Kathy: Well, and so in my clinic, I have a TV set up where we’re constantly

of these words mean. Just nod.”

[47:14] absolutely blew us away. I think that the other thing about having her on was it was kind of a wake-up call for us in our podcasting career because I don’t think to that point we had been in a situation where we just felt completely outmatched. Jason: Every time I’m around her. I mean there were some points during that interview where I was like, “Okay, Jason. She’s saying things. You know what some

[39:54] Jason: running episodes of the PTCH Podcast, ‘cause we’re that desperate to get people to watch. And so I just have short clips and Carrie Boysen is the most recognizable person — yeah, that’s that’s in those clips. I have patients come back and they’re like, “How do you know Carrie?” “Oh, Carrie. Oh, I love Carrie.” So yeah, that was such a smart move to invite her on. That was that was your doing. Thank you. She calls me a friend.

[40:25] Kathy: Yeah. How much does that cost you a month? Jason: Undisclosed. Undisclosed. Okay, good. We’re going to put that with like congressional investment patterns. We’ll say. Yeah, it’s classified information. Yeah, and you’re right about the breath stuff. Like that was one of the big things. I think a lot more about how I’m breathing just as a result of that. Maybe it’s ‘cause it’s like the fourth or fifth time that we’ve heard it. Like we had heard it from like Robin and you know, and other folks, but yeah.

[40:56] High quality guest. Yeah. All right. Well, I think my last one is going to be — who for me was my guest of the year — and we’ve had so many great guests and I totally so appreciate all of them who took a chance. Like we we had some very reputable people who who took a big chance. Dr. Vu, you know, and he’s yeah, he just put it all on the line to get out here with yeah, these two clowns.

[41:28] Right? And Tyler Early who was like he could have lost his job for being on the show. Okay, it’s not that dramatic. But my my number one guest has to be my son Alston. Kathy: Absolutely. Yes. Jason: So Alston came on just a few weeks ago, the day before his ACL surgery, which had to be really intimidating for him. I called him up a half hour before because we had to — we actually, that

[42:00] that episode we didn’t get a ton of time to prep for, because we had to kind of call an audible. I can’t remember why. And so we’re texting back and forth and you’re like, “Why don’t we talk about ACLs?” I’m like, “Oh yeah, I’ve been magically reading a lot about ACLs lately.” And I was like, “What if we had Alston on?” You’re like, “Shoot, if we can.” So this was like 2:30 in the afternoon. We recorded at three. I text him, I was like, “Alston, would you come be on PTCH Podcast?”

[42:32] He’s like, “Yeah, I’ll do it. Like where do I meet you?” I was like, “Seriously?” So go back and watch that episode and that kid was working on half an hour of preparation and the thing that was amazing to me was how much he freaking knew about the show. Kathy: I know, right? Jason: I was convinced that I maybe had one, one and a half members of the family that was watching on a regular basis, but the kid could make memes about the show because he knew so much. So

[43:03] yeah, as in Jesus of Nazareth, right? Yeah. So that was really satisfying for me and I think that he really enjoyed it, too. And I was just — if you look back at that episode, I’m a crier. I’m sitting there just like trying to suck back tears the whole time. Just, you know, for all the emotional parts and just how proud I was of him. Kathy: Update on Alston’s knee health. Jason: So just right before this, he had his 6-week follow-up. So

[43:35] recovery’s going great. It was not very fun to get the ACL surgery. Like the the first days are really rough and everything like that and painful. But yeah, so he’s doing good. He got to unlock the brace today. He’s walking without crutches and so yeah, he’s doing really really good. And one of the things that was nice about that episode is as those things were out there circulating, we had clips out there.

[44:06] Quite a few people who commented and it was nice to hear things from people who had been through that who were encouraging to him. Also, I heard from a few people who were about to have theirs done. They’re like, “This really helped me out.” So it was neat to be able to see him connect with people over that. So yeah, very proud. We’re never going to have you on the show again though because nobody roasted me like Alston roasted me. Jason: That’s just your opinion, Kathy.

[44:37] Maybe I’ll have him on when you go on vacation. Kathy: Yeah, we should do a follow-up. We should do an episode where it’s Amy, Don, and Alston. We’ll call it the Pitchless Podcast. Jason: Yeah. Oh my goodness, yeah. So yeah, that that was the final one for me. He was one of my favorites. Kathy: I just I knew you were going to pick it so I veered the other way, but that was that was an excellent podcast. Okay, last — not definitely not least —

[45:10] was the other — my other — the other piece of the Novo Collective. Jason: Mhm. Kathy: Yeah. Stacy Casselberry. Jason: I knew it. Kathy: You knew it. I knew it. Yeah, I was going to pick Stacy, but I knew that you were going to take her. So yeah. I mean she can riff all day on nutritional needs and information and facts. She speaks so eloquently, right? Jason: Yeah, she beat me up. She did. Yeah, there’s a few times where I was like, “Oh, she had me.”

[45:41] Kathy: There she comes. Yeah. Such a fun guest. Yeah. Some really fun laughs. Like for example, you know, we talked about proteins. Everybody wants to know about protein and she talked about how you should get 25 to 30 grams per meal. Right? Then we moved on to fiber. And the joke was don’t mix those two. Jason: Yeah. You only want 25 grams of fiber per day. Per day, not per meal.

[46:12] Not per meal. Yeah, you get 25 grams of fiber in a meal, it’s like you’re eating the paper plate that you had your meal on. Yeah. And you’re not leaving the house for a couple days. No. No. No. No. You’re going to have a little trip for bowel obstruction maybe. I don’t know. So. Kathy: And I even learned a couple new symptoms of perimenopause. Itching? Who knew? Itching? Ear ringing? I didn’t know that. Not just ear rings — ear ringing.

[46:43] Ear ringing-ing is even worse. Yes. Mhm. Yeah. No, Amy was awesome. Stacy. Stacy. Thank you. Goodness. And Amy was awesome, too. Like I mean all of our guests have been — well, and I want to give an honorable mention because it’s somebody who I thought that you were going to take, but definitely the smartest person that we’ve had and that’s Robin. Kathy: Oh, she is. Yeah. Jason: How did — oh, you had six. Okay, yeah. So yeah, we can’t go through this without talking about Robin, who just

[47:14] absolutely blew us away. I think that the other thing about having her on was it was kind of a wake-up call for us in our podcasting career because I don’t think to that point we had been in a situation where we just felt completely outmatched. Kathy: Every time I’m around her. I mean there were some points during that interview where I was like, “Okay, Jason. She’s saying things. You know what some

[47:45] of these things mean. There might be a quiz later. So just really pay close attention and just — oh gosh, yes. It’s like, how do you add to that? It was like she was teaching a master class. And wow, so good.

Kathy: Yeah, that’s the one I want to go back and watch, too. Yeah. You know, like — we should charge people for that episode.

Jason:

Kathy: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Because you get continuing education units for watching the Robin Pester episode. Yeah,

[48:15] so thank you, Robin. Legend. Yeah, can you stabilize the — I wrote some things. Can you stabilize the pelvis in the sagittal plane? You got to start with the pelvis. Yeah, and some of you were saying, “I don’t know what any of that means.”

Jason:

Kathy: Yeah, and one of the better jokes that she has, you know, when she’s talking about glutes is, you know, you might be doing glute bridges — but you might look better in those 501s.

Jason: Oh, that’s right. 501s.

[48:46] Well, are the glutes really doing what you want them to do? Yes. She always has those one-liners. You know what — people liked the game in that one, too, with the little squeaky toys, remember?

Kathy:

Jason: So shout out to the Dollar Tree for providing high quality dog toys. It was a duck in a shoe. Was that what it was? Yeah. That was good. Oh my goodness. I think we should also shout out our engineers that we’ve had. You

[49:17] know, we got Raul. Oh yeah, he wasn’t expecting us to say his name. Hey, yeah, there’s Raul. But we’ve had Jake and Scott. Yeah, so yeah, we had to fire those guys and we got Raul instead. Yeah, real pro.

Kathy:

Jason: So yeah, huge shout out to — jeez, what was it? It was Cinematic Solutions to start with, but now it’s Titan Podcast.

Kathy: Yeah. So, a big part of our major

[49:49] success. Makes us look professional and — you know, I think — what was that? Did you just do the Oregon Ducks thing? No. Oh, okay.

Jason: It was the heart.

Kathy: Yeah, okay, because — I take back everything about Raul.

Jason:

Kathy: Raul’s a duck. He went to Oregon. Okay. So, that was a heart thing. Okay. Raul, we do it like this now, right? The little heart. Yes, this is what they do in Korea. Yes, I think. So,

[50:19] now, okay. So, but anyway, what was I going to say? Titan podcasting.

Kathy: Titan podcasting, yes. Something about Raul, yes. And then there was Scott.

Jason: Oh, yes. Back to kind of what this has done for us. And I think we told this story before, but we have a patient who — I was talking to this patient about some of the frustrations that they

[50:49] were having with their health and their recovery and their insurance. Imagine that. And she mentioned — yeah, you know, I go and I see my physical therapist and I always ask, “So, who’s your physical therapist?” It’s Kathy Lynch. And I was telling her — and blah blah — and while she’s doing this, I pull up my phone, because we had already recorded like the first two episodes, and I was looking for this and she’s looking at me like, “Why is this guy on his phone?” And so I showed her the

[51:20] beginning of that first episode and she took my phone, she looked at it, and she just started crying. She’s like — I was like, “Oh no, is it that bad?” Like, Kathy, we got to delete these.

Kathy:

Jason: No, she just started crying and she was like, “I am working with the experts. Like, you guys have a podcast. You are the experts.” And so, that is when I found out that the barrier to entry to podcasting is far too low. Yeah, it’s far too low.

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No, but it’s been fun getting to pretend we’re experts. Yes, we are experts. We are experts.

Kathy: Darn good, right?

Jason: Yes. Well, Kathy, I have a special game for you. Would you like to play?

Kathy: I would like to play.

Jason: Okay. So, I mentioned that I have my exhaustive library of PTCH Podcast transcripts. So, I thought it would be appropriate to play a game I call Who Said It Best.

Kathy: Okay. All right?

Jason: Okay. I’m going to give you an episode

[52:21] and I’m going to give you a quote.

Kathy: Okay.

Jason: And I need you to tell me who said it — who gave the quote, right? And if I can, I’ll tell you — like if we had a guest on that episode, I’ll tell you who the guest was. So, you ready to play? Here we go. This is from episode 22, and here’s a quote: “We’re basically Oprah, but instead of cars, we’re giving out slightly improved joint mechanics.”

[52:51] Ooh, episode — did we have a guest?

Jason: Episode 22, we did not. This is Favorite Things. You said it.

Kathy: I did say it. Very good. All right, Kathy. Ding ding ding. All right. Oh, look at that. We’re getting fancy on our birthday. Thank you, Raul.

Jason:

Kathy: All right, here we go. This is from episode — oh jeez, this is from episode four, actually. Or — four? Two. Three? I don’t know. The stretching

[53:21] episode, ready?

Kathy: Okay.

Jason: “People think stretching fixes everything. It doesn’t. Sometimes it just makes you better at being tight in new positions.”

Kathy: That’s you again. That is you.

Jason: What? You said that.

Kathy:

Jason: Yeah, that’s a great quote. That’s so funny, too. All right. This is from episode 11. I don’t think that we had a guest for this one. I don’t have the title of it. But: “If your rehab plan depends

[53:52] entirely on motivation, you don’t have a plan, you have a wish.”

Kathy: That’s me.

Jason: That is you. Very good. Is that one of your common phrases?

Kathy: I say it to myself. Okay.

Jason:

Kathy: I don’t say that to patients.

Jason: There we go. All right, this is from a recent episode

Kathy: Okay.

Jason: featuring Amy Klehm. And it says: “The problem isn’t that people are exercising, it’s that they think it has to look like a Nike

[54:23] commercial.”

Kathy: Wasn’t me. So, I’m going to say you.

Jason: It was definitely Amy. Amy said that, yeah. She said that, yes. That’s a good sound bite.

Kathy:

Jason: Okay, how about this one? “The internet thinks that chiropractors are either

[54:54] miracle workers or super villains.” This is an episode that was just you and I. “There is no middle ground.”

Kathy: That’s you.

Jason: That is definitely me.

Kathy:

Jason: Oh, you know, these episode numbers are off. So, I can’t give you episode numbers.

Kathy: Well, I wouldn’t — how about this one? “Pain is a terrible GPS. It tells you where you are, not where you should go.”

Jason: Did we have a guest?

Kathy: We did not for this one. It was just me and you.

[55:25] Kathy: That’s you. That is you, actually. Yes.

Jason: Yes. You are — you’re smart for me. You are so profound. Yes. Okay, how about this one? This is from my first favorite. This is from the Evidence-Based Chiropractor one. “There is nothing more dangerous than a confident person with a half-read study.”

Kathy:

Jason: That’s you. That is me. Okay.

[55:56] Oh, this is from an early episode, okay? And we did have a guest for this one. “Athletes don’t need more information, they need fewer dumb things in their program.” Jack Canfield.

Kathy: Canfield, yes.

Jason: That was good. Very good. Okay, I think that’s all that I’ve got. But all right, take homes from this one, Kathy. What a great year.

Kathy: Yeah. Yeah, what a great, fun year. It’s just been — and yeah, it’s got me out of my comfort

[56:26] zone. This is not — I don’t love to be on social media, I don’t love to be recorded, I don’t like to have a camera in my face. But I like talking to you.

Jason: I like talking to you. All right. Yeah, and I think I’ve already said it. My take home is that this is just one of the best things that I’ve done. And have we been successful? I think yeah, we’ve had a measure of success. Will it be like successful? Like are

[56:56] we going to change millions of lives? I don’t know. But I do know that I’m really, really loving what we’re doing and it’s important to me. And I’m going to say the Miss America thing — if we can just touch one life, we can change one life, and such as — and

Kathy:

Jason: Oh, that poor girl. Oh my gosh. Well, I think it’s time to say the thing that we’ve said every single episode. You know what that is?

Kathy: Yeah. There’s no “I” in PTCH.

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